Match Thread: Manchester United v Spurs

[Neil_Vaughan]

Talk about the game in here before, during and after the match.

[Chinaman]

How about a 3-1 win for us with Mido scoring first.

[country cock]

Ive said it will be a draw all week, i am sticking to that 1-1.

[nuttyhotspurs]

its about time we won one of the big guns!!! lets hope manure have a nightmare like liverpool have today. if everton can do it surely we can

[jrio]

Uh-oh, no Lennon. Where did that come from? Even more surprisingly Ghaly in midfield so looks like a diamond with Jenas and Davids wide. Good attacking selections on the bench - Murphy, Ziegler and Huddlestone with Defoe.

[SSS]

WTF. 2 names i expected to see on that team were Lennon and Defoe. Where teh hell is Lennon!!?

[hastingsyid]

4 central midfielders is a big worry for me,no pace on the flanks,looks like jol is going for a 0-0 result to me

[Thfc4Life]

This is a joke! It looks as though we are going defensive, does Jol not realise that these are the sort of games we should be looking to win if we are going to break into the top 4.

And why is Lennon missing? there has been no mention of an injury. :confused:

[nuttyhotspurs]

on prem+ they said lennon has picked up a knock :s . this is where routledge would of come in handy. oh well. who needs wingers............

also i think breaking into the top 4 isnt even in jols mind at the minute. he has backed out of that question many times since the end of last season. he has stated that the top 4 best teams are chelski, manure, scum and scouse

[Keanoldinho]

Mr. Invisible is still in the starting line up but Lennon get dropped. We're in BIG trouble and the game aint even kicked off yet

[nuttyhotspurs]

f-cukin robinson agen. get a f-cukin grip!! hes startin to wind me up now. is he long sighted or somat!!

[Thfc4Life]

Losing 1 - 0 why is Robbo so bad at saving long shots??

It is getting beyond a joke now! :mad:

[Keanoldinho]

were the **** was the wall

a 35 yard freekick and no ****ing wall

[nuttyhotspurs]

has keane had a touch yet?????????????

[nuttyhotspurs]

what a pathetic system jol has chosen to use today. what has happened to him over the summer :( keane is so isolated

[Keanoldinho]

at least Zokora is showing some fight after smackn Giggs in the nose

[MACCSPURS]

I am amazed Robbo never saved that considering it was a swerving ball with the sun in his eyes.

Yes, I am being sarcastic.... just cannot believe people posting here saying it is his fault. It's obvious there was a problem with the sun in his eyes because how often do you see him wearing a cap?

Some people.....

[suBerb]

I don't think that Manure play much better.

[nuttyhotspurs]

he must have an ace suntan then coz the sun always seems to be shining in his eyes when he has a long shot hit against him. or was it just today?? ...now im being sarcastic

if he was struggling with sight why didnt he organise a frickin wall or somat

[whistler9027]

Lennon is injured..but we just aint good enough at the minute..our passing is woeful...our battling non existent..save for davids..but he is past his best..we have no pace..not creating chances...and look like we hav no leaders out there....we have bought players in who i think give us theoption of ****ing around with systems...not having a system and buying players to suit it.

We did well alst year but that looked a lot better because of all our years of mediocrity....we werent good enough for top 4 or we would have finished top 4..we had plenty of chances to seal 4th spot...and this year with the extra euro games....i think top 6 will b a good achievemment..and a run in a cup or two..

of course its early days still but other teams look better organised and have more balance etc...I f we rnt careful we will look like right mugs come May..

this is gonna b a long hard season guys..and at the moment i cant see us stringing 6 or 7 wins together......

Having said all that I really hope im proved wrong....but following spurs for 28 years does that to you


COYS

[nuttyhotspurs]

i personally think davids is pants. he battles but for nothing. whenever he wins it he does f-ck all with it or trips over or loses it agen and his late tackles are gona cause us problems if the ref decides to dish out cards a lot more. he has been very lenient today luckily

the only positives from today are that the defence looks a lot more steady with king back

[country cock]

were the **** was the wall

a 35 yard free kick and no ****ing wall
He shouldn't need a wall from that far out, the only thing he did wrong was not punch or push the ball to the side of the goal. It's not easy though when the ball is moving all over the place at that speed, and you have only got a split second to make up your mind. He was looking into the sun as well, we got into the game more towards the end of the half, and i will stick to my 1-1 prediction. COME ON YOU SPURS!

[MACCSPURS]

He shouldn't need a wall from that far out, the only thing he did wrong was not punch or push the ball to the side of the goal. It's not easy though when the ball is moving all over the place at that speed, and you have only got a split second to make up your mind. He was looking into the sun as well, we got into the game more towards the end of the half, and i will stick to my 1-1 prediction. COME ON YOU SPURS!

Exactly, I thank you :)

[nuttyhotspurs]

i hope jd burys one and proves jol wrong. no way shud he be on the bench today

[nuttyhotspurs]

improved performance in 2nd half . i don't think it would be an unfair result if we bagged one now and got a point. who agrees?

[whistler9027]

Defoe is ****ing hopeless..dont care what nyone says...yeah great movement...speed..balance...sos a ****ing rabbit...but they dont score goals either...

free header oh sorry..free shoulder cos he closed his ****ing eyes....


thats part of our problem ..for all of our strikers we aint got goals in us.

and it dont matter what formations all u guys post on here....not one of those ****s on the pitch is battling for the shirt..body language is shocking..we r playing in fits and starts and even wen we do it aint that impressive..

how long before defoe actually stops being a promising young striker and starts to deliver....

[nuttyhotspurs]

shud be 2-1 now :( 2 great headers missed. im gona say it again. our defence looks good today. dawson and king ace. full backs very solid defensively. not much going forward but i get the impression jol has told them to stay back

[nuttyhotspurs]

jols done it again. we're losing. takes off a defender and pulls a midfielder back into defence...........wtf

[MarlowSpurs]

I've now got a dent in my wall where I am constantly banging my head against it. God Spurs are so ****ing frustrating to watch but I love em.

[hastingsyid]

what the **** is happening to my beloved spurs...come on jol ****ing sort it

[Keanoldinho]

He shouldn't need a wall from that far out, the only thing he did wrong was not punch or push the ball to the side of the goal. It's not easy though when the ball is moving all over the place at that speed, and you have only got a split second to make up your mind. He was looking into the sun as well, we got into the game more towards the end of the half, and i will stick to my 1-1 prediction. COME ON YOU SPURS!


Sorry mate but a freekick 35 yards out and smack bang in the middle of the field with a player who's got a rocket shot needs a fecking wall and if we had one it would've went right into it.

At least our defence looked really solid and that's about the only plus I got from the game.

[Billywhizz]

Anybody know a good injury therapist so we can get Steed a speedy recovery, by christ we ****in need him.

Yet another drab performance, no guile, no skill, no ****in hope.

I'm getting ****ed off with it, and it's costing me bundles of dough to keep getting pissed when we get beat.

I'm off down the pub.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Chewy]

To blame robbo for that goal is just plain stupid. PremPlus showed the speed of the ball to be going 55+mph. No keeper could of caught it.

Davids was probably one of our best players today, he worked constantly! Chimbonda looked very comfortable in his first game for us. Ekotto looked below average today but then again he was dealing with the pace of ronaldo.

I was dissapointed with keane, however he was practically up on his own. Mido wasn't great but he was trying to create chances. Defoe was great when he came on, too bad he couldn't put the finishing touches to work!

Ghaly showed why he doesn't start! Ziegler was quite good, gave manure defence problems. Murphy, didn't see him at all except when he was coming on?

King was a legend as usual, obviously annoyed to be taken off but then again Jol needs to be careful he doesn't take a knock again so soon.

Zokora showed why he should be started in my eyes, he dug in and played great balls.

Jenas, should of put 1 away, other than that he was average.

My 2p!

[Spur]

No keeper would have put up a wall for that free kick, most from there get curled in at pace to one target man or another - that's the free kicks the best teams are good at, scoring from those types of free kicks has taken a sharp rise in recent years.

Not only that but it was hard to deal with, fast, swerving and with 10 players right in front of you it don't help at all - with or without the sun in your eyes - and yes, trust me i'm a keeper.

[Keanoldinho]

Just to clarify something I'm not blaming robbo but there should've been a wall and to say no team would've put one up is bollox because it was a shooting opportunity.

A simple 2 man wall would've meant Ronaldo couldn't off just pile drived it straight at the goal

[Indianspur]

Not a bad performance considering lennon and berby out.I never expected a victory without wingers against utd in form but was hoping for a draw.At least we conceded only one goal and could have grabbed a couple of goals late on. Just need to stop playing davids and jenas together one of the above i can tolerate.

[jrio]

A simple 2 man wall would've meant Ronaldo couldn't off just pile drived it straight at the goal

But if he didn't ask for a wall he's then not entitled to be surprised when a shot is rocketed straight at him. That's now 3 times we've conceded the first goal from a set-piece and lost the game without scoring.

The sun was no doubt a factor but probably the worst aspect was the foul Davids gave away just because he'd been fouled earlier. Can't understand people defending him because despite all the running around his passing was utterly dreadful, too many fouls conceded and he has lost the knack of winning tackles at this level.

It was a very much improved performance from the Bolton and Everton games. The possible several week injury term for Lennon just reinforces what I was saying about the folly of letting Routledge go on loan. Chimbonda was a great presence on that side and compensated in some measure for the loss. Ziegler looked rather underwhelming when he came on, in contrast to Defoe who had an energetic 20 minutes but should have done better with his header.

It's something of a worry that we don't look like scoring goals. Under Jol we've never been a high-scoring side and now we're lacking width on both sides. I didn't massively disagree with the selection in the circumstances and the substitutions were the right ones made in plenty of time. What would really threaten to derail our season would be getting clearly beaten on Thursday.

[Richard Wells]

Davids was probably one of our best players today, he worked constantly!

My 2p!

Please tell me this is a joke ive got wound up enough by that sorry excuse for a player , I cant hack people saying how good he is. Why does he start? Has he got something on Jol? has he caught him in bed with a cat or something? I cannot believe he is picking Davids on merit, he was a discrace in that first half

[Chewy]

Please tell me this is a joke ive got wound up enough by that sorry excuse for a player , I cant hack people saying how good he is. Why does he start? Has he got something on Jol? has he caught him in bed with a cat or something? I cannot believe he is picking Davids on merit, he was a discrace in that first half

Not a joke what so ever. His work rate is second to none!

I'm not saying hes the best player in the squad in general but today he was one of them.

[Thfc4Life]

Not a joke what so ever. His work rate is second to none!

I'm not saying hes the best player in the squad in general but today he was one of them.

Seriously I cannot understand why people on this forum tolerate his totally inept performances. I mean sure, he does work hard (running around like a headless chicken and giving away needless fouls in dangerous positions) but you need a lot more than workrate i'm afraid at this level, the guy cannot pass a football and constantly gives the ball away and offers nothing to our build up play.

If we are to continue to move forward we cannot have players in the team being carried, and unfortunately that includes big-name has beens such as Edgar Davids, we are already shooting ourselves in the foot as it is having no left midfielder in the team!

[laspur]

The bottom line is, we had 3 golden opportunities to score and didn't. Robbo since the world cup has been suspect with his play. David's god bless him but just isn't the player he once was. Now with the lack of creative play, we still played decent and had a few chances to tie the score. I can only see the team get better especially with the back 4 looking solid. Not all is lost, we will overcome these early setbacks only to get better and when we do, it will be a sight to behold.

[AuderEstFacer]

robbinson - dont slate him. he had a good game, at the time shouted why didnt he parry the freekick out for a corner at least, but to be fair he stopped that from being 2-0 or 3-0... great 1 on 1 save with saha, and tipping over ronaldos close range pile driver (also collecting and holding loose balls, and generaly useful distribution feeding mido) full restored my faith in our ENGLANDS NUMBER ONE!

chimbo - looked solid. made some good tackles, genraly good passing, and did well covering that right flank which was terribly missing lennon. great signing.

daws - i hope he is with us for many years. was wishing so much he got the shot or header chances which fell to him. deserved it. solid at the back, winning balls, careful on tackles, and showing some good long balls today also.
its only a matter of time before scoring, and e is very young in centre back terms, afterall he was infront of probably the biggest crowed he played infront of(75,000?), majoritaly against him - although it makes me proud to hear the spurs fans on tv

king(c) - ledleys back. solid. 10

ekkoto - against ronaldo, could have been alot worse last season - lets not forget lee making me feel sick giving the ball to his friend (i suspect purposely) who plays in rooney for his 2nd in our home drubbing.. overall i suspect good things from benoit.

ghali - i watched him vs inter in pre season and was solid. he was playing a central defensive midfield role, which i dont think he is better at than zokora, but is young and promissing. we found out today, not a flank player...

zokora - im delighted with zokora signing, and today he showed some invension to get the ball into the attacking third, and trying to get us in behind the solid utd back 4. (the carrick job) more to come frmo this guy

davids - sloppy passing, late tackles, giving away dodgy free kicks, donating away possesion, but closing everyone down like "the bulldog" always has. there were many times i saw he picked up loose balls, and to be honest there were more he won or collected than gave away. i do think hes past it, but does offer an influence on and off the pitch with the younger players i feel. plus he is dutch...

jenas - who? your days are numbered boy, your nothing on steed. if you stopped looking at the grass in a world of your own, and started ****ing working you could be a good player with your ability. will be happy when his name isnt first on the teamsheet... (looks at endless jol hugging jenas pictures) the boy whos parents never loved him ?

mido - good work rate, glad to see him back. was quicker n sharper than last season, trying to work the ball in difficult situations often being wide (where i think keane should have been supplying 'big man' mido) should have been in the box more and let keane do the running around. mido is our rebound collector, shot deflecter, ball bundler into net 20 goals a season target man?...

keane - shouldnt have started, and prooved it. love the man, gives us so much but today he was non existant. i really hope he is training to be a left winger.... he could do it!

ziegler - good movement, decent standard of balls, looked good as a winger although i head he was wingback. prehaps lacked invention, but pretty solid in his short spell.

defoe - as ever worked his socks off. made some good runs, some initiative, but as almost expected, didnt get the clean shots of, more importantly not scoring goals. im still waiting for you to turn into tottenhams answer to henry. >.<

murphy - do me a favor....


was alot more promising than our previous defeats, king clearly has been missed, and did alot for our overall good backline.
shame the goals arnt coming...........................(when will they)

[JM_]

Disappointed to see us loose yet again. BUT this time it actually felt like we might have had the chance to score. United played better the first 30mins, but after that I think we were the better team!

The fullbacks looked really good, with Chimbo showing he's a great RB! Dawson looked more comfortable with King alongside him, and King was...King! The goal was a lucky one (almost like Edmans against Liverpool I'd say). If you've seen the replay from behind the goal you clearly see the ball changing direction just infront of Robbo!

The midfield was our problem. I can't belive Skysports rated Jenas as our player of the game! He was useless. Ghaly started well, but also disappeared after 20mins. Davids, well most of you've said it, was poor. Zokora was the only player to get a good rating I think.

Surprised to see Mido on the left. Wouldn't it had been better to stick him upfront, and Keane on the left. Positive subs with Ziegler and Defoe.

Well lets just hope we can get our midfield selection right, as I belive Tainio will come back in the starting 11. And we need some goals in Prague!

[SCIFIN17YID]

Dude's wtf stop bitching **** we lost shit happen's, we have a new team let us have the time to gel, and get used to the others, p.s they did not score a goal from 35 yards out they took a shot from there and then the w*nker gigs scored it in the net, people complain about davids sure he falls down sure he makes a lot of bad mistakes, but give the guy some credit if it was not for him we would have not got 4th place last season, he has heart and he does cause a bit of trouble for the opposition, its still the start of the season, we still have alot of time on our hands for improovements, in that match there was no Lennon, no DM9, no Lee, no Tanio, and many others, we done good not to loose 2 - 0 or worse, give it time lads.

[jrio]

people complain about davids sure he falls down sure he makes a lot of bad mistakes, but give the guy some credit if it was not for him we would have not got 4th place last season, he has heart and he does cause a bit of trouble for the opposition,

Check your final league table from last season and you might care to revise that statement.

We can't afford to have a player in midfield repeatedly giving the ball away, losing tackles and conceding free-kicks, no matter what level of effort he gives. The negatives far outway the positives. He's definitely reached the point where he cannot compete at this level.

[Spur]

Is that about Jenas or Davids.

[nuttyhotspurs]

i agree with jm above keane should of been on the left and mido up front. keane is good enough to play anywhere across the midfield but not as a lone striker. it was a very poor decision by jol.

as for the previous post i think he was talking about davids. however jenas is just as bad at the minute but i do think he needs a good kick up the arse. no amount of arse kicking will make davids any better, hes past it. you cant falt the guy for effort tho, it just isnt enough.

[Spur]

Ok, well if you want to look at it that way then were there no other players on the pitch?

If one man gives away a foul what happen to all his teammates stopping the ball going in the net from the free kick?

Yea, maybe Robbo should have got better on it (although a swerving ball at speed with the sun in your eyes...) but then the rest of the team should have been more alert to the mistake and got the ball out of the ****ing danger zone. As it was Giggs was first to it and so you can blame the defence for not being quick enough.

[singapore spur]

better performance as a whole , had good chances to win it , so im slightly happier than 2 weeks ago . if somewhat disappointed but not surprised with the result.
but please sir jol , jenas , get rid .

[mjbmedia]

if we play like that against 95% of the EPL teams, we will win many games this season, you could tell that as the game went on they were really starting to gel, if we had scored one i think we would have won it , also think people should shut up about JJ and Davids unless they score a hatrick and clears three off the line you aint gonna be happy with them yet how much did MAN U create from midfield????

we lost but strangely i was really happy cos i could see the corner was being turned and it was MAn U that were bricking it at the end

[jrio]

It's a novel idea, shutting up about JJ and Davids on a forum to discuss Spurs. Any others you wouldn like us to refrain from criticising lest it upset your notions of how players are performing?

I thought JJ did quite well but everything positive Davids did was often negated by poor passing, lost tackles and reckless fouls. Everyone here can see the effort is not lacking from Davids, we're questioning his ability to continue to compete at this level.

[JJ]

There were alot more positives in this game than negatives. At times we looked in alot more control than Utd. It's not a game we deserved to lose, but we had their backs to the wall for several spells of the game.

No shame in losing 1-0 to Utd at Old Trafford. I hope this performance is one that will be built on.

[hastingsyid]

hopefully my friends things can only get better

[Spur]

Im gonna need some sort of proof that Davids is foulaing at a consistently high rate, because I just don't see it.

[mjbmedia]

Im gonna need some sort of proof that Davids is foulaing at a consistently high rate, because I just don't see it.
exactly, instead we have a bunch on here jumping the gun every time we dont win, blaming the same players cos its easier than actually thinking about what really happened .
strange how many pundits gave JJ as man of the match, i guess they know less than some factory workers / office workers/ etc etc whove played the odd sunday morning game :confused:

[MiloMinderbinder]

I thought we were OK on Saturday, not great, not bad, just OK. TBF against most other sides we'd have got a point minimum for our performance, how many clear chances did Man U create? not too many I think (and those that fell to Saha don't count ;)) The main gripe regarding Jenas is that technically the boy's got it all, he can pass (although he hides it well), tackle, dribble and shoot, it just seems like he chooses not to most weeks, it's not like we got him on the cheap either so to expect good performances from him most weeks is not beyond the realms of fantasy. As for Davids, he is the only one providing genuine steel but quite often finds that the space he could have used to pick out a pass is taken up by who? Yep JJ, lack of space = lack of time = lack of passing options = give the ball away.

[spurs61]

****er, I was just writting my final little summary when I read this, have you hacked into my computer?!!!!! Spot on.

[MiloMinderbinder]

****er, I was just writting my final little summary when I read this, have you hacked into my computer?!!!!! Spot on.

Are you talking to me, are you talking to me well I don't see any one else here............yes I did hack into your computer, I've also been in your flat and your car.....................................unless of course you're not talking tp me in which case........:p

[choda]

exactly, instead we have a bunch on here jumping the gun every time we dont win, blaming the same players cos its easier than actually thinking about what really happened .
strange how many pundits gave JJ as man of the match, i guess they know less than some factory workers / office workers/ etc etc whove played the odd sunday morning game :confused:

Yes, I agree with you there. However my problem with jenas is that he is being put in as an attacking player and he's just not doing it. He looks so short on confidence... why I don't know, he could no doubt be a good player.

As he said himself (I found this very humourous and true), 'If Frank Lampard can do it anyone can'.

He was doing enough last year to merit his place in last years team. However, we are stronger now as regards central mids with Zokora and another year of the Hudd coming closer to delivering on what he will no doubt achieve. Plus there is more of a need this year for naturally attacking mids for us to kick on.

That combined with Jenas's recent very poor displays has me calling him a bag of shite, but I am aware of what he could do. The time has come though that he has to deliver week in week out (the boy cost some money), we can't keep developing him when he is in all important position and problem in our team, creation and good attacking mid play.

As regards the pundits I couldn't give a flying **** what they say, most of them talk utter bullshit day in day out. They were footballers and obviously most of them have excellent football brains, but I wonder how many would cut it at the sharp end of management which requires the rest of your brain aswell.

On British tv the only pundits that impress me are Gordon Strachen, Martin O'Neill and Venables. We've two very good ones permanently on Irish tv in John Giles and Eamon Dunphy.

As it goes on first glance I thought Ghaly looked like Jenas with vision and confidence.

[spurs61]

As it goes on first glance I thought Ghaly looked like Jenas with vision and confidence.


YES!!! EXACTLY!!! Before the start of the game I thought it was a strange desicion to throw Ghaly into his debut at Old Trafford but I was fairly impressed by his tenacity and vision. If Jenas isn't dropped for Ghaly I will not be amused. Unless we decide to play Jenas on the right as that's the only position I've seen him play a decent 90 mins for us.

Thank Christ we've got Fulham before Liverpool otherwise we really could be in trouble. Mind you if Fulham can perform the same as they did against the barcodes......

[SharX]

YES!!! EXACTLY!!! Before the start of the game I thought it was a strange desicion to throw Ghaly into his debut at Old Trafford but I was fairly impressed by his tenacity and vision. If Jenas isn't dropped for Ghaly I will not be amused. Unless we decide to play Jenas on the right as that's the only position I've seen him play a decent 90 mins for us.

I also think Ghaly should replace Jenas, but it seems like Jol will never do that. He only put Ghaly in because he was faced with an injured Lennon.

[jrio]

Very much in agreement over Ghaly. Not just effort but the vision and ability to have an influence. He must have a good chance of starting on Thursday.