Match Thread: TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR vs Sunderland

[TURKISH]

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[mjbmedia]

Home win, else we are in a relegation fight!!!!!

To be honest Im fed up with us only playing football in the CL .
I mean have we actually looked shit hot in the league other than the opener V City which we couldnt win.

[TURKISH]

Not sure what to expect really, as MJB said we haven't looked great at all apart from City at home.

Not sure who's fit ect but this is my team

Gomes
Hutton
Kaboul
Bassong
BAE

Lennon/Bentley
Huddlestone
Modric
Bale

VDV/Keane/Crouch
Pav

If Lennon's not fit then you have to play Bentley, the blokes a RW FFS! If VDV still not fit then play Keane, go two up top and play some football.

[Gino Ginelli]

Win or STFU and GTFO.

---------------- Gomes ---------------
Hutton --- Kaboul --- Gallas --- Ekotto
------- Huddlestone --- Modric -------
Bentley -------------------------- Bale
-------- Pavluchenko -- Crouch--------

4-5-1 without VDV is pointless, use the best players available in their best positions.

[matthius23]

Thought Bentley looked very handy when he came on against Notlob... well worth a punt if VDV/Lennon aint up to it. We cant have a misfiring midfield again... Sandro/Palacios/Kranjcar was a nightmare setup.

Bale - Modric - Hudd - Sandro - Bentley

[Apples]

Thought Bentley looked very handy when he came on against Notlob... well worth a punt if VDV/Lennon aint up to it. We cant have a misfiring midfield again... Sandro/Palacios/Kranjcar was a nightmare setup.

Bale - Modric - Hudd - Sandro - Bentley

I thought Sandro was awful

his mistake for the goal was too amateurish and he made a similar mistake prior which was so not punished.

[deadleyledley]

agree that we need to play 4-4-2. best performance in the league against city was 4-4-2.

2 must win games against sunderland and blackburn.


my team for sunderland:

gomes
hutton gallas bassong bae
bentley hudd modric bale
keane pav.

no kaboul as he gave away another needless free-kick that bolton scored from.

[Antilokhos]

Guys, I have figured out our problem and more importantly how to fix it. Clearly we have performed well in the CL but not so much in the League so what we must do is trick our players. Harry should send them out there wearing the Investec kits and they should be playing the CL theme song throughout the locker room. VDV seems to be the only one smart enough to notice the difference, and he won't be playing. I bet it takes until at least half time for the rest of the squad to figure out, by that point we should be 2-3 up and hopefully able to maintain.

[Gino Ginelli]

I'm actually comfortable with the prospect of getting knocked out in the 3rd round of the FA cup, finishing 12th, and winning the Champions League!

[TURKISH]

I can't describe how awesome winning the CL would be, if we ever managed such a feat we would most likely finish 16th.:laugh:

Bent out of the game tonight, THIS IS MUST WIN!!!

[milkman]

Anyone know where I can watch this online?

You can PM if ya want. :)

[TURKISH]

Anyone know where I can watch this online?

You can PM if ya want. :)

myp2p always has a list of links pal, I'm sure some will be floating around near KO.:santaclaus:

[milkman]

myp2p always has a list of links pal, I'm sure some will be floating around near KO.:santaclaus:

Do I need any software for that?

Do I just click on live sports then football?

[TURKISH]

Do I need any software for that?

Do I just click on live sports then football?

Depends, I suggest sopcast myself which needs to be downloaded.

There's also another stream that can be downloaded thats not bad, can't remember what its called.

I'll be able to help you more come 7pm.

[mjbmedia]

I'm actually comfortable with the prospect of getting knocked out in the 3rd round of the FA cup, finishing 12th, and winning the Champions League!
i had a dream that we had Barca, Real Madrid 1/4s, Man U semis and then Arsenal in the CL final and won it.

[TURKISH]

i had a dream that we had Barca, Real Madrid 1/4s, Man U semis and then Arsenal in the CL final and won it.

I had a dream about boobs and pies.

[mjbmedia]

I had a dream about boobs and pies.

youre weird!

[Gino Ginelli]

I had a dream about boobs and pies.

WTF man?! :laugh:

You're bored at home today aren't you?

[milkman]

Depends, I suggest sopcast myself which needs to be downloaded.

There's also another stream that can be downloaded thats not bad, can't remember what its called.

I'll be able to help you more come 7pm.

Ok, I'll be online from now on tonight.

Looks like Sopcast doesn't work at uni, so I may have to try another software or watch it online.. Sopcast rarely lets me login, either as a user or as anonymous. and I can't watch any channels.. either says cannot access or just shows a black screen...


Anyone speak with you nearer kick off.

Cheers buddy

[TURKISH]

Free streams

http://www.myp2p.eu/...717&part=sports

YES - sop://broker.sopcast.com:3912/6816

http://livetv.ru/en/...ham_sunderland/

Nothing up till 30 mins before kick off

*** ALSO HAS HIGHLIGHTS OF THE GAME ON THE SAME LINK AFTER MATCH FINISHED***

http://www.asiaplate...om/football.php

http://www.iraqgoals.net/

http://www.atdhe.net/

http://www.rojadirecta.org/

http://www.channelsurfing.net/

http://www.fromsport.com/

http://www.rajangan.net/

http://www.ustream.t...ery/live/sports

http://soccernewstv....ve-streaming-3/

http://www.vstreams.net/


Paid streams

http://www.liveonlinefooty.com/

http://livesport247.com/


After Game Highlights

New section for those that cannot get to see the game and need highlights.

http://livetv.ru/en - Use link on this thread to see the game highlights. Dome may be in Russian.

http://www.101greatgoals.com/ - has highlights of games


For anyone struggling with Livesport24/7:

1) Download VLC

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

2) Log in to Livesport 24/7

3) Click on Live streams on left hand side

4) Click on link (in red) for channel

5) Enter username and password

6) When browser asks you what do to with the M3U file tell it to always open it using VLC (you may have to manually point it to C:\Program Files\VideoLAN\VLC\VLC.exe)

7) Sorted


And last but not least Radio London for the best commentary ever ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/content/articl...s_feature.shtml





Programs to use

VLC

VLC Player for PC's and Macs which is a good alternative for Windows Media Player and for some of the pay sites.

TVU

http://download.cnet.com/TVUPlayer/3000-13....html?tag=mncol

TVU I am sure now has an IP blocker which stops you from viewing if you are not from the country of the provider. You can get around it by using a proxy server for that country but is a lot to explain if you dont know how.

[milkman]

Thanks mate, but all the links are taking me to http://livetv.ru/en/...ham_sunderland/

It's literally taking me to that URL, which comes back with an error..

I think I've found the right page though; http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=93717&part=sports

[TURKISH]

Nothing will be up at least 5min till KO, I would suggest http://www.atdhe.net/ but you may need to download something which won't be a problem.

[milkman]

Also mate, what will the quality be like? I have a very fast internet connection...

[earl warwick]

Gomes; Hutton, Gallas, Kaboul, Assou-Ekotto; Bentley, Huddlestone, Modric, Bale; van der Vaart, Pavlyuchenko.

Encouraging - VDV, Pav and Bentley, plus Hudd starting alongside Modric.

Subs: Cudicini, Bassong, Corluka, Jenas, Kranjcar, Palacios, Crouch.

[xXx Jo xXx]

Gomes; Hutton, Gallas, Kaboul, Assou-Ekotto; Bentley, Huddlestone, Modric, Bale; van der Vaart, Pavlyuchenko.

Encouraging - VDV, Pav and Bentley, plus Hudd starting alongside Modric.

Subs: Cudicini, Bassong, Corluka, Jenas, Kranjcar, Palacios, Crouch.


Definately a better line up than a the weekend, lets just hope we play a hell of a lot better!

[Indianspur]

very happy with the line up...just hope we arent risking vdv. would have rested him otherwise and gone 4-4-2 at home if he is only going to last a half.

The last thing we need is a one month injury as he;s not rested properly and Harry trying everything to stop a 3rd loss in succesion.

[TURKISH]

Also mate, what will the quality be like? I have a very fast internet connection...

Not sure, I use Sopcast mate but many people happily use that site.:santaclaus:

[TURKISH]

Good team although I would have rested VDV, but hopefully he feels fine and its not much of a gamble. Glad Bentley has been given a chance on the RW, Pav deserves his chance upfront as well.

Fingers crossed boys.

[MarlowSpurs]

I had a dream about boobs and pies.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQwWkq1IkbiTHl1NsLSUa0280oO-hLK3TmvEE3auX3qF_xqWpE&t=1&usg=__H0Ul0mqUji535ZLBGi59XtfMyBw=

[TURKISH]

http://www.splovers.com/

http://entertainmenow.net/channel2.php

[olly27]

Alright boys....

Great looking team tonight :santaclaus:

[MarlowSpurs]

Alright boys....

Great looking team tonight :santaclaus:

This is a better looking team

http://www.etamparealestate.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/lingerie-football-league.jpg

[xXx Jo xXx]

Better start than at the weekend, COYS!!!

[MarlowSpurs]

How many long range efforts have we had and unlucky Tommo

[TURKISH]

Alright boys....

Great looking team tonight :santaclaus:

The legend is back.:santaclaus:

[Gino Ginelli]

Alright boys....

Great looking team tonight :santaclaus:

Where the fook have you been?! Pimping yourself out on SC? :tongue:

[MarlowSpurs]

VDV is too fookin clever for this team:stoned:

[mjbmedia]

VDV is too fookin clever for this team:stoned:
So am I !!!

[TURKISH]

We need Crouchy on, Bentley and Hutton whipping in crosses but no one attacking them.

[mjbmedia]

we playing well, good balance to the team, hope he doesnt change it until we go ahead, we will score 3 second half and keep a clean sheet

[earl warwick]

11 corners and barely threatened from any of them. A lot of easy possession in the middle third and then unable to cause any problems in that last third. Perversely, with the amount of balls we've got into the box, Crouch would have been a major threat. Pav started eagerly, and then didn't feature after 15 minutes.

[TURKISH]

I'm surprised Gallas doesn't go up for the corners, how many goals did he get for Arsenal on set pieces? VDV looks lost without Crouch. Mod was running the show early on but faded away. Bentley and Hutton being more productive then Lennon.

With Sunderland dropping off the games crying out for Crouch, be interesting to see what Harry does.

[xXx Jo xXx]

11 corners and barely threatened from any of them. A lot of easy possession in the middle third and then unable to cause any problems in that last third. Perversely, with the amount of balls we've got into the box, Crouch would have been a major threat. Pav started eagerly, and then didn't feature after 15 minutes.

Completely agree, every corner has gone to a Sunderland player or the goalie so we need Crouchy or someone to stand on the keeper.

But we are playing well, we just need one goal and then we'll get a couple more :)

[mjbmedia]

injury so Pav subbed for Crouchie, lets see how many free kicks he gives away

[earl warwick]

After 15 minutes and no progress, one would suspect Crouch for Pav.

No, not even waited that long - Crouch for Pav at HT.

[mjbmedia]

With Sunderland dropping off the games crying out for Crouch, be interesting to see what Harry does.
so now he's on, if they have any sense, they will change the way they defend to negate his threat

[MarlowSpurs]

injury so Pav subbed for Crouchie, lets see how many free kicks he gives away

Hopefully not to serious

[xXx Jo xXx]

Referee's a w*anker! But Bentley was looking for it tbf.

[mjbmedia]

if you listening to the Sky commentary on your stream Tony Gale is sucha **** as always , o yes definite booking, then looks at it three times and says o yes definite penalty, **** off you retarded pikey you make Alan Smith sound clever

[MarlowSpurs]

Like a good woman, Bentley went down far to easily

[TURKISH]

You bald cad, CLEAR AS DAY!!!!

[mjbmedia]

Hopefully not to serious
slight strain it looked like

[mjbmedia]

are there any good referees left?

[MarlowSpurs]

are there any good referees left?

nope..............

[MarlowSpurs]

30 mins left to score.....fookin ell

[xXx Jo xXx]

We are getting sloppy now, we need to pick up the tempo again!

[MarlowSpurs]

at fookin last

[spur_us_on]

C'mon ..... We need to start winning :angry:

[MarlowSpurs]

Craig Gordon where were you going????

TAXI

[earl warwick]

Ridiculous. The old big man down for the littl'un again.

[xXx Jo xXx]

My stream has crashed and i've missed the goal :( fook sake!

[TURKISH]

Del Boy and Rodders linking up well again.:santaclaus:

[spur_us_on]

FFS ......:angry:

[TURKISH]

FFS!!! Moses parting like the red sea.

[MarlowSpurs]

Jesus fvcking wept

[MarlowSpurs]

My stream has crashed and i've missed the goal :( fook sake!

which one??????????

[MarlowSpurs]

Dirty cvnt

[spur_us_on]

All i want for christmas ... is a clean sheet:santaclaus:

[MarlowSpurs]

All i want for christmas ... is a clean sheet:santaclaus:

Stop wanking then:001_rolleyes:

[spur_us_on]

Stoke seem to be managing ok and they are under pressure for a win, i think we need one of those rockets up our ars ....

[mjbmedia]

why cant Crouch ever run the ball side of the defender, he never does

[mjbmedia]

who's left on the bench?

[xXx Jo xXx]

Its working again now :)

Now lets stop pissing around and win the game!

[MarlowSpurs]

How frustrating is this game

[milkman]

who's left on the bench?

Subs: Cudicini, Bassong, Corluka, Jenas, Kranjcar, Palacios,

Not sure which sub to make, I say just push further forward and go all out.

[denis-cro]

This should be THE LAST EVER game in Spurs shirt for Bentley !!!!!!!!!

The biggest disgrace that has ever played in Spurs shirt... 17 ****ing milions to pay for his services... Bollocks !!!! ****ing INSANE !!!!!!!

[MarlowSpurs]

This should be THE LAST EVER game in Spurs shirt for Bentley !!!!!!!!!

The biggest disgrace that has ever played in Spurs shirt... !/ ****ing milions to pay for his services... Bollocks !!!! ****ing INSANE !!!!!!!

Where you been all game??

[xXx Jo xXx]

How frustrating is this game

Veryyyyy!

COYS Lets get a winner!

[mjbmedia]

stop whinging stupid dumb fans, hes trying to score a goal

[denis-cro]

Where you been all game??

At place where Im always when Spurs play... In front of my PC :santaclaus:

[MarlowSpurs]

At place where Im always when Spurs play... In front of my PC :santaclaus:

You have just been a bit quiet thats all

[mjbmedia]

BAE deal with the ball, take responsibiltly or **** off back to Cameroon you ****

[denis-cro]

Well done Harry... brilliant job you have done since Bolton game... WE CONTINUE TO MADE CRIMINAL ERRORS CONTINUOSLY !!! YOU ****ING DRUNK !!!!!!

[denis-cro]

You have just been a bit quiet thats all

Well... my doctor said that I must calm down a little bit, cause Ill have some heart problems...

[mjbmedia]

this is bollox 2 points from the last 12, we should have got 9 of them.

We need to win this one and it doesnt look like we give a shit, one substituion made , two left on the bench when we need something different in the last 10 minutes, why nothing done about it?
Is Harry happy with 1 point

[denis-cro]

Does Harry know that he can made two additional subs ??? What a disgrace of a manager he is... A PIKEY drunk **** ....

[MarlowSpurs]

16 points from a possible 36. Jesus fvcking christ

[TURKISH]

Gifted that game away, not being able to keep clean sheets and see games out will cost us big time.

Kaboul once again falling asleep.

[mjbmedia]

**** off, we only play and seem bothered in the CL games now.
Why no more subs when we'd lost control in the last 10+ minutes.
Why do we keep ****ing up defensively, we did that years ago and are STILL doing it .
What are we actually working on in training?????????
Looking like a bunch of ****s perhaps? O apart from when we play CL of course.
We'll be mid table by Saturday and we've had a piss easy first 11 games generally.

[Indianspur]

Towards the end im glad the ref blew his whistle and we have to take the draw. bale and bentley pulled out one decent cross in 15 corners, umpteen freekicks and byline crosses. Theres not a lot Harry can do really by subbing anyone off as noone better on the bench.

We should have played for the 1-0 nil win but a schoolboy error cost us.

Its a shame a lot of teams play for a 1-1 draw at white hart lane and this opens us up at the end of games as we go gung ho. Gomes is making the old mistakes again!

1 point is better than 0 so wont cry too much as long as we beat blackburn now!

[nuttyhotspurs]

lol without either king or dawson our defence is fvcking shit.

having said that so was everyone else tonight. especially modric jesus i lost count the amount of times he gave the ball away

wat a godawful start to the season. things can only get better

[spur_us_on]

Gutted with that result, i really fancied us to win tonight ..... This season is well frustraiting in the league but we also have the CL to contend with now something we have all been dreaming about for a while.

[MarlowSpurs]

1 point is better than 0 so wont cry too much as long as we beat blackburn now!

Trouble is I can't see how, Keane can't get a game, pav is injured and Crouch couldn't score even if he was in a whore house with a wad of fvck me free vouchers

[nuttyhotspurs]

and Crouch couldn't score even if he was in a whore house with a wad of fvck me free vouchers

hmmmm....i think you could be wrong there :tongue:

[denis-cro]

10+ corners in the first half...every one worst that previous one... no one attacking ball... Continuosly kicking balls in their box without any effect... all the quality hard-work done from our box toward Sunderland area is wasted with crosses easy cleared by Sunderland defenders... now... Even a blind man would notice that we should stop to play like that after 15 minutes ... If you have Crouch upfront than you play like that but not otherwise... after we conceed a goal players tried hard but they were exhausted... we had 2 subs available to refresh the squad and what Harry did - NOTHING !!!!!!! absolutely nothing.... ha ha ha ha I cant stop laughing ... what a ****ing mickey mouse manager he is.... ****ing usselles pikey ****...

As for Davis Bentley....:thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:

[Gold7]

I wouldn't blame Kaboul so much , gallas is supposed to be the experienced head but made a shocking mistake v bolton and played a part in that shocking piece of defending tonight.

I think the route of all problems is strikers not scoring is disheartening the team . Constant pressure of not being allowed one mistake so they go and make schoolboy ones .

This is tottenham I've known and loved all my life . Hopes of top 4 are drifting further every week .

We should have signed Gyan , it would have been a gamble at the price though.

This seasons top 4 will be :

Chels
Man u
Man c
Arse

[nuttyhotspurs]

10+ corners in the first half...every one worst that previous one... no one attacking ball... Continuosly kicking balls in their box without any effect... all the quality hard-work done from our box toward Sunderland area is wasted with crosses easy cleared by Sunderland defenders... now... Even a blind man would notice that we should stop to play like that after 15 minutes ... If you have Crouch upfront than you play like that but not otherwise... after we conceed a goal players tried hard but they were exhausted... we had 2 subs available to refresh the squad and what Harry did - NOTHING !!!!!!! absolutely nothing.... ha ha ha ha I cant stop laughing ... what a ****ing mickey mouse manager he is.... ****ing usselles pikey ****...

As for Davis Bentley....:thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:

:dito:agree 100% :ahhhhh:

[peterc]

We played some good football in the first half but could not find the net, second half we managed to score but from then on we were abysmal, Webb is another ref who needs to have his eyes tested, that was a stonewall penalty on David Bentley. Gallarse, you are an idiot. Piss off back to the Emirshites.

[earl warwick]

Trouble is I can't see how, Keane can't get a game, pav is injured and Crouch couldn't score even if he was in a whore house with a wad of fvck me free vouchers
Currently, it's because he picked up an ankle injury in training last Friday.

[Indianspur]

i Think modric was our best player today, but without a decent all-round striker we our going to struggle to score.
Pavlychenko needs games and im sure he'll score but may need to play with crouch in a 442.

Its looking gloomy if harry hasnt got any tactics, and we may struggle until january unless defoe starts smashing goals in december.

The major issue for me is, with all these set piece specialists..when is the last time we scored from a direct freekick? any takers on this question

It seems manure, chelsea and others seem to do it regularly throughout the season!

[mjbmedia]

last season we had the knack of nicking games we didnt play well in, this season we cant nick an apple from a blind mans barrow.
Id rather have lost to Inter and got 6 points in the last 2 games, mid tables a joke, but thats where we will now be, we HAVE to start winning before gaps start opening up any more than the top 4 are pulling away .
We are closer to relegation than top 4

Defoe is back next game hopefully on bench with view to starting V scum or is he just hoping for the 20th V scum ?

[spur_us_on]

I hate Howard Webb ....

[Gold7]

I think Bale used to be even more difficult to defend against when he was running from left back last season when luka played left and would cut in and bale would overlap and wilson would fill in for bale .
I think we should revert back to that against weaker teams. Bale coming from deep is even more dangerous . A bit like "Jaws " he'll bite you in the ass before you knew he turned up.

[nuttyhotspurs]

The major issue for me is, with all these set piece specialists..when is the last time we scored from a direct freekick? any takers on this question


the last one i can remember was bentley against wigan in the drubbing

edit. i think that came off the bar then against the keepers head though, but close enough

[deadleyledley]

think we can say goodbye to 4th spot this season, especially if we keep playing like that. worst 2nd half ever.

not sure how richardson walked off without a yellow and cattermole red.

i did say that kaboul was a liability and yet again he proves my point. no way you can blame gallas for that. gallas had the ball under control and then kaboul just dives in front, you can atleast make sure that you take the ball not dummy your own defender.

harry flatters to deceive. bentley was shit. wouldnt even be able to run if you dangled some hair gel in front of him. cant see where the goals are gonna come from and we are shipping far too many. injuries costing us badly this season and i dont think they are coming back any sooner.

plan A was to paly pav and hopefully play on the ground. but no, we decided to stick high crosses in instead. plan B was to play crouch and hope to get a knock down for vdv, which he did but then it was the same again for the rest of the half. modric was clearly injured and bentley tired so get them off. atleast jj and palacios would have brought energy if nothing else.


so pissed off. need to win against blackburn or we are in relegation scrap again.

[deadleyledley]

I hate Howard Webb ....

:fight:

have we ever liked him???????












Nope.

[deadleyledley]

the last one i can remember was bentley against wigan in the drubbing

edit. i think that came off the bar then against the keepers head though, but close enough

might be looking at bale vs arse in 2008.

[earl warwick]

the last one i can remember was bentley against wigan in the drubbing
And that was actually an OG, the ball ricocheting off the post on to the back of Kirkland's head before entering the net.

[earl warwick]

think we can say goodbye to 4th spot this season, especially if we keep playing like that. worst 2nd half ever.

not sure how richardson walked off without a yellow and cattermole red.

i did say that kaboul was a liability and yet again he proves my point. no way you can blame gallas for that. gallas had the ball under control and then kaboul just dives in front, you can atleast make sure that you take the ball not dummy your own defender.

harry flatters to deceive. bentley was shit. wouldnt even be able to run if you dangled some hair gel in front of him. cant see where the goals are gonna come from and we are shipping far too many. injuries costing us badly this season and i dont think they are coming back any sooner.

plan A was to paly pav and hopefully play on the ground. but no, we decided to stick high crosses in instead. plan B was to play crouch and hope to get a knock down for vdv, which he did but then it was the same again for the rest of the half. modric was clearly injured and bentley tired so get them off. atleast jj and palacios would have brought energy if nothing else.


so pissed off. need to win against blackburn or we are in relegation scrap again.
Some clear bollox there. How can Bentley be tired? It's his first start this season. I can see how Bale might be tired, especially as Onuoha and Turner frustrated him at every turn. If Modric was injured, there was JJ and Krankie on the bench to replace him.

"...relegation scrap again"! No surprise if you really think Davids is technically the worst player you've ever seen at WHL!!! [see DL's post on SO to understand this].

[deadleyledley]

Some clear bollox there. How can Bentley be tired? It's his first start this season. I can see how Bale might be tired, especially as Onuoha and Turner frustrated him at every turn. If Modric was injured, there was JJ and Krankie on the bench to replace him. "...relegation scrap again"! No surprise if you really think Davids is technically the worst player you've ever seen at WHL!!! [see DL's post on SO to understand this].

exactly, he isnt match fit. same thing with niko against bolton.


that is what i said. but harry never made the sub.

[deadleyledley]

Some clear bollox there. How can Bentley be tired? It's his first start this season. I can see how Bale might be tired, especially as Onuoha and Turner frustrated him at every turn. If Modric was injured, there was JJ and Krankie on the bench to replace him.

"...relegation scrap again"! No surprise if you really think Davids is technically the worst player you've ever seen at WHL!!! [see DL's post on SO to understand this].

not sure what your trying to say here.

[earl warwick]

not sure what your trying to say here.

I am one of the few who thought he[Davids] was awful when he was with us.
Could not pass, control, tackle, run.
Technically the worst player I have ever seen at WHL.

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Deadleyledley[for it is he]

[Rojoknapp]

Howard Webb is an utter c*nt, I hate his f*cking guts, what's new. Pavlyuchenko in the first half was brilliant, actually showing for once what we paid £14 million for. It is that sort of performance that makes people believe in him over Crouch - we lost so much when Pav got injured, in the first half we actually played some great football, most of it centred round Luka and Pav. Then again while we were absolutely dismal in the second half (And Pav's replacement with Crouch is surely the reason for this) it was actually the woeful Crouch who got us our breakthrough for Rafa - yet again.

[Shelfside]

Very disappointing once again.
Even if we pick up three points against Blackburn,I don't think it will help us that much.Given our lack of goals and defensive uncertainty,Arsenal away and Liverpool at home look like 0/6 points or at best 1/6.Birmingham away and Chelsea at home look extremely dodgy and freezing cold Blackpool away on the Sunday before Christmas? No chance.
I am also very pissed off with Harry's sarcasm about the fans regarding their booing.Quite simply Harry,Tottenham are charging Champions League prices but giving back Championship quality football.

[TURKISH]

Why is Harry aloud to be upset and pissed off but us fans can't? He picks a poor team against Bolton, too many changes, players out of position and poor defending once again.

We never look like scoring from set pieces, no one on the keeper and nothing inventive. Buts its been like this since he took over, you wonder what they have been doing on the training ground this season.

If your not gonna score many then you have to be defensively solid, but week in week out we keep giving gifts away. You can't play like you did in the CL expecting to beat premier league sides, the tempo is much higher and you get no time to think.

Why is he now moaning about pace? He must of guessed if certain players are injured we could be in trouble? We have too many techincal players but not enough pace to trouble defenses.

As Shelfy says, we could be in real trouble in the next few weeks and I can't see us battling for fourth if this lackluster run continues.

I will end on a positive, last season we started very well but faded from November to Febuary. If we can do well over that period we may be able to salvage something.

[Gino Ginelli]

I think some of the hysteria on here is laughable at times. Comments regarding Harry being a poor manager, players being rubbish. We played some excellent football last night, we ran the game but failed to capitalise. Yes we lack a genuine consistent goal threat up top, yes our only route to goal in the league seems to be cross->Crouch->VDV. But most of us seem to think we should be playing like it's 1961 again. Fans booing? Doom mongering cries of "I can't see where we're going to get a win from," and "Harry's a shit manager!"

Sorry, but have you only been supporting Spurs since 2007?! Are you forgetting the 15 years of ball achingly dire drudgery we were forced to endure during the Ossie/Francis/Gross/Graham/Hoddle years?! Harry's a disgrace?! The team are hopeless?! Get some fvcking perspective and realise that this is the best we've been since the mid 80's, and getting on the backs of this team because of a mundane night where we dominated and merely shot ourselves in the foot is ridiculous.

Games like last night will always happen, even if we're winning doubles. Even a Man Utd in their hey-dey of the mid 90's can be beaten 6-2 by Southampton, and Barcelona with Henry, Eto and Messi can be beaten by by some anonymous eastern european team.

Last night everyone did their job well, and played well. Bentley, contrary to certain alarming opinions, actually played quite well last night, his first start in ages. Gave us considered width on the right, worked well with Hutton, and threatend the goal on a few occasions. Bale offered a different, pacier threat. Both failed to convince with the quality of the delivery, but they weren't awful. Hudd and Modric did well, linked great with the ever impressive VDV. Pav was a bit anonymous, but Crouch worked hard as usual.

Benni had a bit of an off night, but my only (and biggest) critiscm was a lack of composure as the game went on. Gallas and Kaboul exhibited a woeful lack of communication and responsibility, Asmoah Gyan thinking that Christmas must have come early as a result of one of the worst Spurs defensive lapses since Stuart Nethercott hit an air shot right in front of Matt Le Tissier. This was followed by VDV being extremely lucky not to be sent off for a second time after his Dave Mackay impression on Lee Cattermole (who was equally fortunate to escape with a yellow). Finally Gomes continued his regression to comedy figure in recent weeks with another ill-judged hack on Steed. Technically he wasn't denying a goal scoring opportunity but he wasn't to know that, and again I felt he was lucky to escape an early bath.

These are the things concerning me right now. A lack of composure, concentration and winning attitude. You simply can't switch it on for one game becaue it's high profile and then switch off for a mid table scrap. Otherwise the high profile games don't exist and midtable scraps are all you can look forward to.

Just ask Ossie, Francis, Gross, etc etc etc...

[Shelfside]

But Gino last night's result/performance was most certainly not a one off.We've won only two out of our six home matches and both of those were pretty fortunate to say the least.It could easily have been us that is the laughing stock of the Premiership and not Liverpool,who themselves looked to have turned the corner.
Our CL exploits have diverted the media's attention away from our poor league form.If Harry could stop touting himself as the next England manager or being an all round media gobshite and concentrate on us,then that would be much appreciated.
Our fifth place finish in 2006 was our best for years.The fact that we finished the following season in fifth did not cut any ice with the fans nor more importantly,the Chairman.Jol was out after two successive fifth place finishes.Will Mr.Levy be as equally unforgiving if we miss out on the CL or even the Europa League next season?.

[Gino Ginelli]

But Gino last night's result/performance was most certainly not a one off.We've won only two out of our six home matches and both of those were pretty fortunate to say the least.It could easily have been us that is the laughing stock of the Premiership and not Liverpool,who themselves looked to have turned the corner.
Our CL exploits have diverted the media's attention away from our poor league form.If Harry could stop touting himself as the next England manager or being an all round media gobshite and concentrate on us,then that would be much appreciated.
Our fifth place finish in 2006 was our best for years.The fact that we finished the following season in fifth did not cut any ice with the fans nor more importantly,the Chairman.Jol was out after two successive fifth place finishes.Will Mr.Levy be as equally unforgiving if we miss out on the CL or even the Europa League next season?.

I hope he isn't as unforgiving, because despite his perceived limitations, Levy's decision to out Jol set us backwards by approximately two season. The fact that fans were dissapointed with the 2nd 5th place merely serves to highlight the ridiculous up and down nature of our fans. One minute we're expected to be getting to CL knock out stages every year, the next we're a joke and going nowhere and booing the team.

Out league form is not poor, it's above average. We are 6th in a very tight league. I guarantee that if we win at the weekend, and Man City lose their next 2 games we'll be all bouncy again. Yes we need to get back to winning ways at home in order to push for CL qualification again, but we're hardly fvcking Birmingham are we?

[Shelfside]

I hope he isn't as unforgiving, because despite his perceived limitations, Levy's decision to out Jol set us backwards by approximately two season. The fact that fans were dissapointed with the 2nd 5th place merely serves to highlight the ridiculous up and down nature of our fans. One minute we're expected to be getting to CL knock out stages every year, the next we're a joke and going nowhere and booing the team.

Out league form is not poor, it's above average. We are 6th in a very tight league. I guarantee that if we win at the weekend, and Man City lose their next 2 games we'll be all bouncy again. Yes we need to get back to winning ways at home in order to push for CL qualification again, but we're hardly fvcking Birmingham are we?

Fair enough but even this far into the season we are relying on slip ups from Man City.We could pick up three points against Blackburn and Man City could indeed lose their next two games.But to take advantage of that we would have to go and win at Arsenal or at the very least get a draw and then follow that up with a win at home to Liverpool.

[Gino Ginelli]

Fair enough but even this far into the season we are relying on slip ups from Man City.We could pick up three points against Blackburn and Man City could indeed lose their next two games.But to take advantage of that we would have to go and win at Arsenal or at the very least get a draw and then follow that up with a win at home to Liverpool.

Well was anyone seriously expecting an easy run to 4th again? Of course not, we knew that Man City would strengthen and be a far bigger threat this season. We knew it would be tougher, and we're going to have to scrap for it. I believe that as the season goes on, and key players return to fitness and form that we'll grow into it and start picking up the consistency we need.

But from a fans perspective it frustrates me something rotten when fans start booing players, and groaning and moaning when a pass goes astray. The majority of games are going to be tough midfield slogs and these are the games we need to get behind the team and pick them up. Let's be honest, if Gallas or Kaboul had taken charge and simply collected the frankly loose ball from Welbeck then we'd have won and there wouldn't be halfway near the amount of vitriol getting spouted out here.

[mjbmedia]

We are 6th, yes but if games go certain ways tonight and many of them could, we are 12th!!!!
We are also not finishing games off , we arent scoring, we arent defending , we arent doing set pieces, o we are passing it pretty though .
This is bollox, the manager said theres no reason why we cant challenge for the title, he said it, one presumes he was serious on this occassion seeing the way he said it, so why shouldnt fans boo and be dissapointed when they see the same manager saying they can challenge be in charge of another let down
2 points from the last 12 , points dropped at home V poor opponents , yet they witness the game V inter, the fans arent stupid, they know what the players can do , yet V minnows they dont do it.
Most other clubs take something from beating a big club , we dont.

We now need a winning run of 10 games to catch up.
I wasnt upset with the performance, other than the defending blunders and BAE not taking responsibility even if Gomes was telling him to leave it just clear the bloody thing when theres a degree of uncertainty, basic schoolboy defending .I was upset with another passionless apathetic attempt at three points

[TURKISH]

We are 6th, yes but if games go certain ways tonight and many of them could, we are 12th!!!!
We are also not finishing games off , we arent scoring, we arent defending , we arent doing set pieces, o we are passing it pretty though .
This is bollox, the manager said theres no reason why we cant challenge for the title, he said it, one presumes he was serious on this occassion seeing the way he said it, so why shouldnt fans boo and be dissapointed when they see the same manager saying they can challenge be in charge of another let down
2 points from the last 12 , points dropped at home V poor opponents , yet they witness the game V inter, the fans arent stupid, they know what the players can do , yet V minnows they dont do it.
Most other clubs take something from beating a big club , we dont.

We now need a winning run of 10 games to catch up.
I wasnt upset with the performance, other than the defending blunders and BAE not taking responsibility even if Gomes was telling him to leave it just clear the bloody thing when theres a degree of uncertainty, basic schoolboy defending .I was upset with another passionless apathetic attempt at three points

Yep and the last ten minutes we were hanging on for dear life.

I never get on Harrys back but the commenst he made about us fans are bang out of order. He gets paid to run the club, has done a great job but we have been poor this season. Us fans are sick of going behind every game, not scoring enough and not being able to keep a clean sheet. Girls on periods have better chance then us.

We lacked real invention, most of our goals come from long ball>Crouch>VDV or Bale from a counter attack. One swallow doesn't make a summer Harry, the only thing you have to shout about is the Inter game this season, great result but that doesn't mean you can't be justly criticised for piss poor performances like tonight and Saturday.

[MarlowSpurs]

Looks like the only fit striker for saturday is crouch who can't score for toffee at the mo

[Gino Ginelli]

Yep and the last ten minutes we were hanging on for dear life.

I never get on Harrys back but the commenst he made about us fans are bang out of order. He gets paid to run the club, has done a great job but we have been poor this season. Us fans are sick of going behind every game, not scoring enough and not being able to keep a clean sheet. Girls on periods have better chance then us.

We lacked real invention, most of our goals come from long ball>Crouch>VDV or Bale from a counter attack. One swallow doesn't make a summer Harry, the only thing you have to shout about is the Inter game this season, great result but that doesn't mean you can't be justly criticised for piss poor performances like tonight and Saturday.

It was a cheeky statement but let's be honest, he was 100% bang on.

[TURKISH]

It was a cheeky statement but let's be honest, he was 100% bang on.

The fans are 100% bang on about the teams performances this season, especially the way we play football with Crouch in the side.

Good luck Saturday Harry, lets see if your boy Crouch can score a goal for us.

[deadleyledley]

I am one of the few who thought he[Davids] was awful when he was with us.
Could not pass, control, tackle, run.
Technically the worst player I have ever seen at WHL.

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Deadleyledley[for it is he]

1. ive never been on SO.
2. i agree that davids was poor when with us, cos he couldnt pass partly cos he couldnt see properly and running was hard for him as he was old. but he did have some of that tackling in him and he showed some winning pedigree.

[Gino Ginelli]

1. ive never been on SO.
2. i agree that davids was poor when with us, cos he couldnt pass partly cos he couldnt see properly and running was hard for him as he was old. but he did have some of that tackling in him and he showed some winning pedigree.

I don't think I've ever disagreed with you before Ledders, but this is a frankly barking statement. Are we thinking of the same player?!

[Gino Ginelli]

The fans are 100% bang on about the teams performances this season, especially the way we play football with Crouch in the side.

Good luck Saturday Harry, lets see if your boy Crouch can score a goal for us.

Sorry, but booing the team is 100% wrong as well. Get behind the fecking team I say, despite the frustrations. Just because we haven't turned into Real Ma-bloody-drid over the summer fans are getting all over the back of the team on one game, then creaming themselves the next.

Some Spurs fans are like the footballing definition of schizophrenia.

[deadleyledley]

I don't think I've ever disagreed with you before Ledders, but this is a frankly barking statement. Are we thinking of the same player?!

Edgar Davids did some things very well, but others he just couldnt do the way that he was able to do when he was with ajax. age got on his back and it wore him down a bit. however, as i said before he could instill some belief and winning pedigree into the players he was playing alongside and i think that jj is a good example as he thrived playing with him.

this was one of the reasons why i wanted davids to work with jol as a coach like sherwood does for harry as he still has the mental toughness, which we have lacked recently by thinking that we can beat bolton and sunderland just because we trounced inter milan.

[TURKISH]

Sorry, but booing the team is 100% wrong as well. Get behind the fecking team I say, despite the frustrations. Just because we haven't turned into Real Ma-bloody-drid over the summer fans are getting all over the back of the team on one game, then creaming themselves the next.

Some Spurs fans are like the footballing definition of schizophrenia.

If paying fans want to boo then I personally can't complain, but we haven't looked great at all during the league. Turning into Madrids not the problem, but not turning into the side that scores shit loads in the CL is the frustrating thing.

The fans frustrations has been the poor performances this season, no one can sugar coat things we haven't done well at all. Its not one game Gino, its the 12 games we have played this season that these fans watch week in week out.

How many clear cut chances do we make during games in the PL? Why do we never score from set pieces? Why can we never keep a clean sheet?

If we never played a CL game this season, would you be happy with the teams performances?

[TURKISH]

Another point, I think the whole night was frustrating. The ref didn't help matters, which would have caused bad blood on top of the fact the team has been struggling.

Just frustrations, from fans and the manager.

[Gino Ginelli]

If paying fans want to boo then I personally can't complain, but we haven't looked great at all during the league. Turning into Madrids not the problem, but not turning into the side that scores shit loads in the CL is the frustrating thing.

The fans frustrations has been the poor performances this season, no one can sugar coat things we haven't done well at all. Its not one game Gino, its the 12 games we have played this season that these fans watch week in week out.

How many clear cut chances do we make during games in the PL? Why do we never score from set pieces? Why can we never keep a clean sheet?

If we never played a CL game this season, would you be happy with the teams performances?

I simply don't agree with this. Just cause they're fortunate to be able to afford tickets doesn't mean they can turn on players like that so quickly. Spurs fans like to talk themselves up as being excellent support, singing the loudest etc, but it's all hot air when we do that. When heads are dropping on the pitch and the lads are having a tough game, and Sunderland gave us a bloody tough game, that's when the support, and I emphasise that word heavily, is supposed to sing to the rafters and lift the team a la the 12th man.

Not just sing when we're winning. We're Tottenham fvcking Hotspur for christ sake, not fairweather Man Utd and Chelsea glory supporters.

I'm not denying the problems and at no stage did I say "it's just one game." My beef here is with the bullshit support that was coming from some angles last night.

[Gino Ginelli]

I think we should be careful critiscising Webb as well. Yes he was wrong not award the Pen and book Bentley, but VDV and Gomes were lucky not to walk if you ask me. He did us as many favours as not if you ask me.

[Rojoknapp]

I simply don't agree with this. Just cause they're fortunate to be able to afford tickets doesn't mean they can turn on players like that so quickly. Spurs fans like to talk themselves up as being excellent support, singing the loudest etc, but it's all hot air when we do that. When heads are dropping on the pitch and the lads are having a tough game, and Sunderland gave us a bloody tough game, that's when the support, and I emphasise that word heavily, is supposed to sing to the rafters and lift the team a la the 12th man.

Not just sing when we're winning. We're Tottenham fvcking Hotspur for christ sake, not fairweather Man Utd and Chelsea glory supporters.

I'm not denying the problems and at no stage did I say "it's just one game." My beef here is with the bullshit support that was coming from some angles last night.

Those angles being the North Stand. As usual.

[TURKISH]

I simply don't agree with this. Just cause they're fortunate to be able to afford tickets doesn't mean they can turn on players like that so quickly. Spurs fans like to talk themselves up as being excellent support, singing the loudest etc, but it's all hot air when we do that. When heads are dropping on the pitch and the lads are having a tough game, and Sunderland gave us a bloody tough game, that's when the support, and I emphasise that word heavily, is supposed to sing to the rafters and lift the team a la the 12th man.

Not just sing when we're winning. We're Tottenham fvcking Hotspur for christ sake, not fairweather Man Utd and Chelsea glory supporters.

I'm not denying the problems and at no stage did I say "it's just one game." My beef here is with the bullshit support that was coming from some angles last night.

You gave me the impression with your post fella.

Sorry, but booing the team is 100% wrong as well. Get behind the fecking team I say, despite the frustrations. Just because we haven't turned into Real Ma-bloody-drid over the summer fans are getting all over the back of the team on one game, then creaming themselves the next.

Some Spurs fans are like the footballing definition of schizophrenia.

Our fans haven't bee great in the league, but last night was built up frustration from the season as a whole and the fans feeling the ref conned them once more.

IMO you got to earn the crowd love, the fans expect better from a group of players who underachieve. I've been to old trafford in the pooring rain, 3 nil down and singing on the chairs "glenn hoddles blue army."

We don't have the greatest fans in the world, every teams support is the same in these situations.

But to balance the argument, we both watched the game on a stream with commentary. We can't base an opinion on that, we didn't feel the tension, atmosphere or watch a game in that enviroment. We didn't invest in the game with the same emotions and nor could we concentrate how many times the crowd chanted either.

[Gino Ginelli]

You gave me the impression with your post fella.



Our fans haven't bee great in the league, but last night was built up frustration from the season as a whole and the fans feeling the ref conned them once more.

IMO you got to earn the crowd love, the fans expect better from a group of players who underachieve. I've been to old trafford in the pooring rain, 3 nil down and singing on the chairs "glenn hoddles blue army."

We don't have the greatest fans in the world, every teams support is the same in these situations.

But to balance the argument, we both watched the game on a stream with commentary. We can't base an opinion on that, we didn't feel the tension, atmosphere or watch a game in that enviroment. We didn't invest in the game with the same emotions and nor could we concentrate how many times the crowd chanted either.

They didn't earn it last season?!

[earl warwick]

1. ive never been on SO.
2. i agree that davids was poor when with us, cos he couldnt pass partly cos he couldnt see properly and running was hard for him as he was old. but he did have some of that tackling in him and he showed some winning pedigree.
Deadleyledley: ThfcTalk join date 27th Aug 2006

Deadleyledley: Spurs Odyssey join date 16th May 2006

Amazing coincidence, no? :001_rolleyes:

[deadleyledley]

Deadleyledley: ThfcTalk join date 27th Aug 2006

Deadleyledley: Spurs Odyssey join date 16th May 2006

Amazing coincidence, no? :001_rolleyes:

so how comes i cant login, if i have joined????

[deadleyledley]

most results went our way as we are still in the same position as before but could have been much worse. not winning against blackburn will put a real spanner in the works and the fans will really be pissed off if they arent already.

[earl warwick]

so how comes i cant login, if i have joined????

Why would you want to log in if you've never been on there? :glare:

[Gino Ginelli]

Deadleyledley: ThfcTalk join date 27th Aug 2006

Deadleyledley: Spurs Odyssey join date 16th May 2006

Amazing coincidence, no? :001_rolleyes:

so how comes i cant login, if i have joined????

Does this really matter? Take it outside ladies...

[TURKISH]

They didn't earn it last season?!

One swallow doesn't make a summer.

[deadleyledley]

Why would you want to log in if you've never been on there? :glare:

you claim that i have been on SO.



anyway, enough of this. should be talking about spurs instead.

[Antilokhos]

Even if they earned it last year, they haven't lost it this year with their poor performances? The only one who has shown up for every game has been VDV. We don't get to carry any points over from last year, we don't get to carry over 4th place. It all has to be earned again, and after 12 mediocre to poor performances, more if we count the 1st half v Young Boys, 2nd half v Bremen, 1st half v Inter. We've really only played well in a very few spurts, and only 1 complete game.

And to top it off, our biggest problem is the lack of a quality striker. A problem we all KNEW this squad had in August when we could have changed it. Somehow the fans let themselves get distracted by the VDV signing, which has been terrific, and ignored the utter failure that was our transfer window.

It's the fact that all the problems that are plaguing us, no goal scorers, poor defending, poor set pieces, poor concentration, ALL of these problems should have been or should be addressed by the manager, only he is too busy giving interviews or getting his feelings hurt when anybody dares question his performance. It's easy to accept limitations when they are outside of your control, but we have seen systemic failure on the part of Spurs this year, and it's no surprise that people are fed up by that.

[TURKISH]

Even if they earned it last year, they haven't lost it this year with their poor performances? The only one who has shown up for every game has been VDV. We don't get to carry any points over from last year, we don't get to carry over 4th place. It all has to be earned again, and after 12 mediocre to poor performances, more if we count the 1st half v Young Boys, 2nd half v Bremen, 1st half v Inter. We've really only played well in a very few spurts, and only 1 complete game.

And to top it off, our biggest problem is the lack of a quality striker. A problem we all KNEW this squad had in August when we could have changed it. Somehow the fans let themselves get distracted by the VDV signing, which has been terrific, and ignored the utter failure that was our transfer window.

It's the fact that all the problems that are plaguing us, no goal scorers, poor defending, poor set pieces, poor concentration, ALL of these problems should have been or should be addressed by the manager, only he is too busy giving interviews or getting his feelings hurt when anybody dares question his performance. It's easy to accept limitations when they are outside of your control, but we have seen systemic failure on the part of Spurs this year, and it's no surprise that people are fed up by that.

Fantastic post.

[Gino Ginelli]

No they haven't bloody lost it. This is what I'm talking about, flip flopping from one extreme to the other after 3 games without a win. Jesus.

[TURKISH]

No they haven't bloody lost it. This is what I'm talking about, flip flopping from one extreme to the other after 3 games without a win. Jesus.

I'm more worried about the teams performances since the season started pal.

[deadleyledley]

i can see where you are coming from gino, but i think that when harry does something wrong, he has to take it on the chin. the mistake that he made on tuesday was that he never made the remaining 2 subs to freshen things up and try to give us another angle of breaking down sunderland.

the booing he refers to after the sunderland game were not directed at him, they were at the ref being poor and not sending cattermole off and not giving the pen although i think that bentley was already on his way down.

[mjbmedia]

gotta admit it pissed me off when they booed Bentley for having a shot that admittedly went wrong, I said as much in this thread at the time.
I love our support away and always loved going away, never did like most of them at WHL to be honest

[malc123]

I am with Shelfside on this one. I was pi**ed off after the game and only now feel like reading other comments. It is NOT a one off, the whole premiership season has been disappointing after last year. Carry on like this and we will be back the mid table positions Gino mentions. We might be 7th but are falling behind the top 4 and 1 defeat away from dropping several places. The only bright spot is that the team will be strengthened when some of the injured players get back. Tuesday was a must win game after 2 defeats and we failed. Failed is my opinion despite Webbs unfair decisions which should not have stopped us winning.
Now saturday is another must win game and with the injuries I really do wonder who is going to score the 2 goals we always need to win at the moment.
CL results may be good but we must do better in the premiership and these results against the lesser teams mean that we need to win the tough matches like the scum away to get back in contention for 4th place. Yes we are good enough to get back in contention for 4th but constantly this season have not produced especially at Home.

[deadleyledley]

I am with Shelfside on this one. I was pi**ed off after the game and only now feel like reading other comments. It is NOT a one off, the whole premiership season has been disappointing after last year. Carry on like this and we will be back the mid table positions Gino mentions. We might be 7th but are falling behind the top 4 and 1 defeat away from dropping several places. The only bright spot is that the team will be strengthened when some of the injured players get back. Tuesday was a must win game after 2 defeats and we failed. Failed is my opinion despite Webbs unfair decisions which should not have stopped us winning.
Now saturday is another must win game and with the injuries I really do wonder who is going to score the 2 goals we always need to win at the moment.
CL results may be good but we must do better in the premiership and these results against the lesser teams mean that we need to win the tough matches like the scum away to get back in contention for 4th place. Yes we are good enough to get back in contention for 4th but constantly this season have not produced especially at Home.

agree, and we always up for those games, but dont neccesarily get the desired results. i think that us beating inter might affect the scum game especially as they now know what they are really capable of.

this annoys me, beacause the players are not motivated all the time for every game. is this down to harry and co?

[Antilokhos]

No they haven't bloody lost it. This is what I'm talking about, flip flopping from one extreme to the other after 3 games without a win. Jesus.
I'm not flip flopping, the team has played poorly the entire year. The one complete performance we have put in was at home against Inter. Aside from that we have been mediocre to poor all season. And no, I don't count possession if we don't translate it into goals.

As I stated, most of these problems are obvious and fairly easily addressed. Why haven't we addressed them and who's responsibility is it that we haven't?

[Gino Ginelli]

I'm not flip flopping, the team has played poorly the entire year. The one complete performance we have put in was at home against Inter. Aside from that we have been mediocre to poor all season. And no, I don't count possession if we don't translate it into goals.

As I stated, most of these problems are obvious and fairly easily addressed. Why haven't we addressed them and who's responsibility is it that we haven't?

So what if we've been average or sporadic this season? Yeah there's problems this season from lack of consistency, injuries, adapting to a new system, and raised expectations. But we're not disastrous are we? We're not near the bottom are we? We're in the champions league, we're 7th in a fvcking tough and competitive league, and we're in our best shape in nearly 2 decades.

My issue here isn't with the problems on the pitch, I can see them as clear as day. My issue is with the bloody fans who are starting to turn on the team and manager after one of the best seasons we've seen in ages. It's fine to highlight problems but get behind the bloody team instead of booing and shouting to players that they're shit after only their first 5 mins of a league match in months. How is that supporting the team?

Some fans haven't a fvcking clue how good they've got it right now, after the 20 years of drudgery we've had to put up with. Trade me Peter Crouch and Defoe over Ronny pi$$ing Rosenthal and Gordon Durie anyday.

[Antilokhos]

I'm not saying that fans should completely turn on the team and boo them from the get go. But the poor level of play this season certainly merits a discussion.

And it makes no sense to say that fans shouldn't complain because we've been worse before. By that same logic every fan should complain because the club has been much better than this before too. Performance has to be measured against expectations (fairly high), injuries (not so good for us), and resources available (top 5). Now when the manager and players played a role in setting the fairly high expectations (talking about how we could win the league), that is them adding pressure to themselves. And when the manager fails to take advantage of our resources to improve the team in the one area that very clearly needs improvement (strikers), then that also adds pressure on him to be right. He's been wrong.