Match Thread: Tottenham Hotspur vs Everton

[Neil_Vaughan]

Talk about the game in here before, during and after

[TomMcLaren]

Hope we hammer 'em

[hastingsyid]

2-0 with berby scoring them both...hope hes 100% fit tho....COYS

[Chewy]

Berby passed fit for the match. I predict a 2-1 win! Keane getting on the score board!

[TomMcLaren]

Reckon the Berbs / JJ story is a distraction, I think they'll both play.

[JJ]

I got 2 free tickets to the game today through work.



GET IN!

[derek zoolander]

im banking on a 2-1 win with berbatov scoring 1st, just a couple of quid at 28/1 at ladbrokes. would be a very nice finish to the day, having to go collect some drinking money

[Indianspur]

Everton dont get many good results against spurs at the lane so hopefullly it remains that way.if we want to win anything then we have to beat teams like these at home! i want Berby to win the golden boot so hope he gets a couple tomorrow!

[gbspur72]

3pts is a must in this game, bearing in mind the following fixture.I'd be more confident if Ledley was playing as i think Beattie and AJ could give us some problems, however our attacking players should be too much for them.
3-1 COYS!

[Spur]

The only tickets I got for free, was Chrlton Boolton(.")

[Chinaman]

About time we explode. 4-0 thrashing og them.

[Danishspurs]

Think we will win 3-1 with Berba, Keano and Lennon to score. I can't see us losing this one with the record we have against Everton.

[Spur]

A Berba hat-trick would be nice. Specially as he is in my fantasy team...

I reckon we will do them, I mean seriously, we are at home. We don't lose at the Lane.

[shoot_ffs]

sadly a very dull draw with a distinct lack of urgency. we can't play keane deep and not have any width on the left. Need an injection of desire and guts, tainio, jenas and lennon not in the game and ekotto needs to press on. Johnson looks the most dangerous but the game is made for defoe to come on.

[nuttyhotspurs]

watched first half online we have been all over them pretty much for most of the half. as you prob know everton down to 10 men. lee and lennon playin well on right, everton are having trouble dealing with their pace(1 player off already because of it)

highlight of the match so far was probably a blistering run from lennon from our half but final ball was not good enough. kinda sums its up for us, great build up play but no end product. i dont think robinson has had a touch yet!

i think its only a matter of time before we score. solid performance all over the pitch so far

COME ON YOU SPURS!!!!!

[derek zoolander]

how are u guys watching it? ive heard about the flfooty thing but i have no idea how to install and run it, any help would be appreciated!!

[Welsh Spur]

this is a piss poor performance lads. We won't be in the top six this season if the first 3 games are anything to go by. Where the **** is Zokora? With them playing with 10 men we need him in the middle to calm things down. FFS!!!!!

[MACCSPURS]

http://www.freelivefooty.com/The_Guide.pdf

[SurreySpur]

C'mon Spurs!! This is poor, lets stretch this game.

[Welsh Spur]

Complete bullshit. I am ****in pissed off. Jenas is shit, Davids is shit, they are readin Lennon like a book, Keane is anonymous, What the **** is going on? They've got ten men this is pathetic. complete shit. Its a crime that Zokora isnt on. FFS!!!!!!!!!

[SurreySpur]

0-2? ur ****ing kidding me?? Top four? not a chance. Why do we struggle so much against these sort of teams?

[derek zoolander]

this is complete bollocks, top 4?! are u shittin me? we are getting spanked at home by everton with 10 men! for **** sake boys, get that cheque book out and get us a left winger so we can have a system that works, jesus christ

**** me i hate supporting spurs sometimes...always proud but **** me are they frustrating

[SurreySpur]

derek my friend you are completely right. they're two up and they are still shitting on us. Where is the energy? ****ing hell lads!

[SurreySpur]

We got Keano, Defoe and berbatov up front and cant create a thing!

[Welsh Spur]

there's 18 minutes left and you can't even ****ing tell they've had a man less for over an hour. We're playing like we have ten men. This is absolutely terrible, and at home. If this is going to be the shape of our season i say forget europe next year, and ****ing forget getting out of group stages in uefa.

[highlander]

this is so poor, we dont even sound like we have any hope of getting back into the match. everton at home is usually a 3 point certainty and i cannot believe we are 2 down with a man up. what the ****

[SurreySpur]

And worst of all were going to have to listen to that smug scottish bastard after the match!!

[Welsh Spur]

Davids needs to be dropped, he doesn't do anything productive for us.

[SurreySpur]

If we play like this against Man UTD next week were going to get spanked big time.

[MACCSPURS]

This is why unlike everyone else I thought nothing about us beating Sheff Utd 2-0 as that was to be expected. It is games like this (and away to Bolton) that count.

[Welsh Spur]

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I am in such a ****ing mood. I'm gonna have to get ****ed tonight now just to forget about this codshit I'm watching.

[derek zoolander]

there are two depressing things about this game:

1. is now we have to wait 2 weeks for our next game which lets be honest by the way united are playing could well be a complete rout

2. why do the board always wait until the end of the transfer window to make the signings we need, we bought berbatov, zokora, ekotto ages ago and surely after we sold carrick they could see that a left winger was needed

and just an added extra ledley is out for a fortnight yet and would then need to get fit again

centre back, right back, left winger and another striker please

[Thfc4Life]

Davids needs to be dropped, he doesn't do anything productive for us.

Ive been saying that for ages but everyone on this forum thinks the sun shines out of his arse!

[Welsh Spur]

Here's today's roll of shame:

Y.P Lee decision making poor, Davenport and Dawson are terrified of Johnson, Assou-Ekotto looks lost, Davids is pointless, Jenas is poor, Lennon is being taken care of, is Keane actually doing anything but taking corners?

We need a left winger, and we need one now.

[SurreySpur]

This is why unlike everyone else I thought nothing about us beating Sheff Utd 2-0 as that was to be expected. It is games like this (and away to Bolton) that count.


Agreed, I was fortunate enought to be at the game against Sheff UTD, We looked good but we were given so much time. Considering the amount of time on the ball we had, 2-0 at half time was a poor result.

I wasnt able to get to the game today but it sounds awful, i'd love to hear from someone that was actually there. why couldnt we break them down?

[Thfc4Life]

What makes it worse is that our next 3 league games are Man utd away, Fulham home and Liverpool away if we dont sort it out it could be 4 defeats from our first 6 games. :mad:

[MACCSPURS]

Actually, some credit has to be given to Everton because they really are working their socks off. Even with 10 men they seem to have 3 men closing us down all over the pitch.

This will be the first time in 20 years that they have won at the Lane

[Welsh Spur]

Forget top 4 lads. Simple. forget it.

Our best hope is concentrating on Euro or the FA cup. We're shit.

[shoot_ffs]

can sum this game up very quickly. pathetic, spineless and some of the most amateurish tactics i've ever seen. jenas and tainio seemed to think they were kicking a football about on a beach somewhere. One of the worst spurs performances i've seen against a distinctly average 10 man side.

[MACCSPURS]

Expectations are high because of last season but that is understandable. But I'm not going to start slagging off players when clearly today the problem was all about tactics.

One thing I will say, let's not start slagging off Davenport, that was more a ball to foot than him swiping at it and if you look closely, if he had missed it there was an Everton player right there to tap it in so it was always going to be a goal.

[highlander]

im even more interested about the united match now, last season when we lost to Grimsby, Jol gave the team a right kick up the arse then we went on a run of about 6 matches without defeat. Jol certainly will bollock everyone about this and i hope it can provoke a similar reaction. that is the only potentially good thing that can come from this match and its not exactly likely

[derek zoolander]

im never one for giving credit to the other team, we are simply better than everton. thats that. we just havent performed and its depressing, i hate losing before an international break because its 2 weeks i have to be pissed off for, and unless we sign a world beater i cant see us getting anything against united. we have the ****ing money so go and spend it. davenport just isnt up to it and even my mates who support norwich said that we he was there.

people say about how big our squad is but thats just on paper, we can all say yeah that davenport is a good talent but he just isnt, the thing with us spurs fans is we often let our hearts rule our heads, whoever thought that we would beat everton 4-0 must have a good dealer because that was never going to happen!!

seriously how can we really hope to beat even teams like everton without a left sided player in the squad? and sadly i wouldnt b happy with ben arfa (once again another youth player) sign a proven player with a decent track record. if baptista said he would sign for us if i had a sordid threesome with big mo and dot cotton then i would take 1 for the team. thats how badly we need another striker and a winger!!!

[suBerb]

Forget top 4 lads. Simple. forget it.

Our best hope is concentrating on Euro or the FA cup. We're shit.


You're right, I'm absolutely gutted.

We have players but no team. Why?

[highlander]

how depressing is this fact:

we've played 3 games, newcastle have played 1 and they are 5 places above us. grrrrrrrrrrrrr:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[MACCSPURS]

Tell you one thing...

Whoever thought we should be wearing chocolate brown as a strip this season knew something we did not... :p

[suBerb]

I'm already sick of hearing about young talented players

Please, buy PROVEN footballers!

[SurreySpur]

im never one for giving credit to the other team, we are simply better than everton. thats that. we just havent performed and its depressing, i hate losing before an international break because its 2 weeks i have to be pissed off for, and unless we sign a world beater i cant see us getting anything against united. we have the ****ing money so go and spend it. davenport just isnt up to it and even my mates who support norwich said that we he was there.

people say about how big our squad is but thats just on paper, we can all say yeah that davenport is a good talent but he just isnt, the thing with us spurs fans is we often let our hearts rule our heads, whoever thought that we would beat everton 4-0 must have a good dealer because that was never going to happen!!

seriously how can we really hope to beat even teams like everton without a left sided player in the squad? and sadly i wouldnt b happy with ben arfa (once again another youth player) sign a proven player with a decent track record. if baptista said he would sign for us if i had a sordid threesome with big mo and dot cotton then i would take 1 for the team. thats how badly we need another striker and a winger!!!

I appreciate what your saying but the result wasnt down to the lack of a left sided midfielder, we have the players to beat everton easily. I put it down to the fact that they wanted it more. I would suggest that our lads need to develop a tougher mentality, we're a soft touch again!

[mjbmedia]

MJ is way way too cautious a coach, is he george graham in disguise i wonder????

if he still keeps keane in after two games where hes missed sitters then he must be sucking his cock

disagree slightly re davids not giving much, at least he tackles , jenas just strolls around and collects his wages , id drop hi(jj) and start Zokora at old trafford.

thought BAE looked ok to be honest, good coming forward good on the ball, fast to retrack and good cover across the field when needed.

id have taken Taino off for defoe pushed keane out to the left with him and lennon switching as and when left lee to come forwards and then taken JJ off for Zokora.

Now how long ago was it i said AJ would undo us??? seem to remember being lambasted for it when i said it
also said after the Sheff U game that SU let us play, we have to learn to play against teams that dont give us the space , clearly that applies still

o and cut the ****ing grass ffs

[suBerb]

the good news is that it became obvious how much we need new players - a CB, RB, AM, LW, ST - and that we have still 5 days to get them...

[nuttyhotspurs]

o and cut the ****ing grass ffs

i think i heard the commentator say something about how slow the ball was moving. i thought we are meant to be a passing team. why the **** is the grass grown that long

[suBerb]

The link between the defensive and offensive players is missing. Maybe we will now realize how underestimated was Carrick and how badly we need creative players.

[denis-cro]

The worst Spurs´performance i have ever seen!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:
Simply forget top 4, and with attitude like that we could even get to dangerous zone. Many of you, lads,hope that M. Jol change something, but I wish that ˝someone˝ change him ( or he resign) , cause for me he is the person at who should be fingers pointing, for this shit of performance. Everyone has it´s own opinion, so have I , and that is that dutchman isn´t good for Spurs ( I mean for what Spurs want to achieve in EPL, and that isn´t mid table, as like past ten years...). He insist with some players that are way off with form, and he dont want to change that. ( Huddlestone as CB,Routledge on left wing, Zokora in midfield, along with Ghali... THIS IS A MUST!!!!!) Someone will say WHAT ABOUT LAST SEASON ? OK, we were good, but I think that with players what we had /have in team, any average manager could done that.
If You, lads, don´t agree with Ok, this is only my opinion...

[suBerb]

I hope that MJ is not that guilty for I'm damn sure that he will stay even if we finish 15th this season.

[spurs61]

MJ is way way too cautious a coach, is he george graham in disguise i wonder????

Totally agree. His substitiutions are ridiculous and totally negative. He has to learn that this is not some shitty third rate league like Holland and sloppy and badly thought out tactics get punished time and time again. Even dogs learn from their mistakes but apparently Jol knows better than we do because he sent the team out today with the same tactics and attitude they had against Bolton.

[McSpurs]

Thought it was shit today but We've still got the players and manager to do well in this league. As much as it pains , You've got to take your hat off to Everton, I wish We could perform with that commitment and passion with 11 men, let alone 10. :o

[Indianspur]

Does jenas have to die on the pitch before he is substituted...bet in a friendly he'll one day be moved around untill he's the goalkeeper. Dont wanna slate him too much but he needs to start from the bench and prove himself again..he has potential but its not gonna come out if he just knows he can walk into the team without trying!

[JM_]

****! How can they let us down like this, again! The Bolton game was away and the first game of the season (this is some kind of excuse I guess), but this was horrible. WAKE UP!!!

I'm actually happy to have two weeks off form this crap, hopefully things will change during the break. It can't get worse anyway...

We had a few downperiods last season, let's hope this is the only one this season

Get Mido, Downing and Chimbo!

Jolly is the man! I agree with the things that he should have made some subs early in the second half.

COYS!

[jrio]

I'm just back from the game and there were worrying portents again. Unlike last season when MJ could always make a change to influence the game, the substitutions made no difference. When Lee went off Jenas went to right back for Keane to play in the centre behind Defoe and Berbatov and we desperately needed to stretch the Everton defence and didn't. I don't ever recall 2 defenders being on our home bench in the last 2 seasons but for the 2nd game in a row Stalteri and Gardner were on there. I cannot fathom this as either the passing of Murphy or running of Ghally could have contributed something.

Somebody behind me remarked after 20 minutes that Jenas wasn't fit and again he put in a coma-inducing display. We had a lot of possession in the middle of the pitch without making quick, incisive passes. Everton were given too much time to get all of their players in position and only Lennon looked likely to make a breakthrough. Once again we conceded from a dead ball on the right; in contrast our dead balls lacked any invention and while Davenport was on the end of a few his headers were poorly timed. Keane didn't manage the kind of possession and angles he got against Sheffield United and too often resorted to fancy flicks that didn't come off, including one when he should have scored. Tainio played too deeply and there was absolutely no one using the left flank until Ekotto advanced there late in the game. Davids has a lot of good possession but can be too easily dispossessed and puts too many forward passes astray.

Glaringly we missed the depth and variety that Carrick gave us, particularly against sides that sit back and absorb pressure. Seemingly now once we go behind there is nothing left to come back with. A player like King will always be missed but it really doesn't contribute to the paucity of the displays. Johnson worked hard for Everton but they had no penetration and created nothing. Ekotto looked a class act, very silky in possession but was careless to concede the free-kick deep in our half. Only minutes before that we'd conceded a free-kick just outside the penalty area that Arteta blazed over. There will have to be a radical re-think with away games against Utd and Liverpool to come within 2 weeks of each other.

[spurs61]

Jrio, nice summary, pretty much excatly what I made of the game. Although I'm not sure that fitness is Jenas problem, I just think he's a negative footballer.

[derek zoolander]

negative? or an over-rated baby who cant really defend or attack, get him out and get zokora in with someone like baptista. whats the point in all the english players if they dont perform, yes we can be seen as an advert for english players and people can say "oh look at spurs, they are so good for not playing foreign players" but its not good enough. of course im not saying be like arsenal and end up with no homegrown players in their squad but dont buy/play them for the sake of them being english!

jenas we bought for 8million, just think of the foreign players we could have bought for that? cassano went to real madrid for 3.3million or something like that!

kuffour
downing (not my 1st choice but he is left footed at least)
baptista

get these players in and ill be confident of europe

[jrio]

Agreed, he doesn't attack enough and now plays deeper than Davids. He seems happy to spend most of the game in his own half. He was impressive against Sheffield United but they were overawed and clearly going to have difficulty avoiding relegation.

[choda]

A lot of knee jerk comments again.

It was an awful performance but there is a big problem in the side and it has been there in all three games.

I said this after sheffield aswell but nobody as far as I can see paid any heed: Jenas should not be playing. He is playing three physical players and one creator (lennon creating things from wide right).

We only were very creative against Sheffield because Keane was amazing.

I saw the team sheet today and thought, 'this could be trouble'. We are very predictable, in the midfield it is only lennon on the right that is going to trouble the opposition.

Jenas was better against Sheffield when he actually did get forward, but even then he is still only a slogger with no major abilities. We badly need another creative player in the midfiled and to takeout Jenas.

We already have many players who can play as ball winners and deep lying midfielders who can do the build up play.

I must say it is very worrying that jol seems to continue with this team. If it continues we are going to have to ask some serious questions about him.

However it is still very early in the season, to be saying rule out top four is very premature and a bit of a knee jerk. I still predict we will get it together and finish fourth. We will be better than Arsenal.

I find it incredible that people want to have a go at Davids for the defeat, he is the only guy who has played well in all three games. If everybody was doing there job like him (including the manager) we'd have won all three games.

To say, if Keane doesn't get dropped he must be sucking mj's cock is the biggest knee jerk of all time. In the last game you were saying how many strings can he pull. The best performance of anyone this season in any game this year was Keane in the last game.

Granted he a bad game today but so did everyone except one or two. He did make a balls of that chance (he doesn't usually), but Defoe wouldn't have even been on the end of a chance like that, no brains.

And Welshie did you watch how Johnsen played today? I'd like to revise my comment that he is maybe better than Defoe... he is better than Defoe.

He was terrific today, he ran his socks off, and was intelligent with his movement. He gave us problems all day. The way he won their free kick and the goal he scored were perfect examples of that.

I do agree that not only did Jol start the wrong team but he also made bizarre moves and it didn't really change anything. No Murphy on the bench... no Ghaly either isn't Ghaly a creative player aswell?

I'd also like to point out that Andy Reid got a standing ovation at Chalrton today. I only saw the highlights but he seemed to be operating centrally and seemed to play very well.

He was creating a lot for them... hmm if we are going to play tainio or davids on the left what kind of impact would Reid have had today for us if he played ahead of Jenas in the centre. Reid is a very talented lad he just has to play where he's not tied to a wing, he has no pace, but great vision and a sweet left foot.

[spurs61]

Oooohh, nice choda, perfect little summary of recent events. Did you go to the game my emerald-green friend????

I spent the whole 24 hours before the game worried that Everton would play 4-5-1 and that Johnsons' mobility would terrorise our centre halves. If I was a Premiership manager that's the tactics I'd play against us every time, MJ just can't seem to cope with it and the lack of creativity in the side becomes even more glaring.

[choda]

No, I watched it on freelivefooty. It is worrying indeed, I'm not sure what he is trying to achieve at the minute.

But he is a bright man and he has done great so far so I think it will get it sorted.

I must say I found it infuriating watching Reid playing beautiful passes and deft through balls today when we had nobody in our side like that for three games now.

I knew he could do this if given a chance as a central playmaker. He showed it for Ireland, the guy has huge playmaker ability spurs fans never got to see.

I know I keep saying it but at the moment without even a deep lying playmaker it is imperative we have a left winger or a central playmaker in the side.

And even if we still had Carrick we'd still need another creator to really kick on. If it was another central player you could have a ball winner on the left like Davids or Tainio who'd cover the left and centre.

As for 4-5-1, you're right, against us right now that is like an impenetrable wall. We're not going to pull and drag them all over the place and open them up are we? Jenas the playmaker, ouw how frightening... he might come into our half but if he does he won't know what to do anyway.

[mjbmedia]

choda youre like a broken record, you accuse me of targeting your posts yet thats pretty much what youve done there with mine,

tell me what Keane done against Bolton and Everton and 2nd half v SU when he had less space to warrant being an automatic choice
Keanes missed two piss easy sitters in two matches , Defoes created three of his own chances on his own from very little ,
Keane as captain done absolutely **** all to raise the team and pull the lazy ****ers up by the scruff of their necks to get them playing and he hardly led by example either with his display
When Lennon broke thru the middle he had Berby and Keane infront of him and 4 defenders, Berby and Keane carried on running infront of him so he had to beat 4 defenders cos nobody had the brains to run and create space , something you see defoe do a lot of times for others benefits.
Still spray a few balls around against a team that gives you the room to play and its easy to look good and pull strings

also re AJ i said in the week hed do us, nobody agreed or at least nobody said they agreed, well he did .

there are players in our team that seem not to get dropped, Robbo, King, Dawson, Lee, ok

Davids ok for now but may need rest periods later in season

Jenas, Keane, should perform better with more consistency to keep their places as we have a dearth of quality replacements

[choda]

choda youre like a broken record, you accuse me of targeting your posts yet thats pretty much what youve done there with mine,

tell me what Keane done against Bolton and Everton and 2nd half v SU when he had less space to warrant being an automatic choice
Keanes missed two piss easy sitters in two matches , Defoes created three of his own chances on his own from very little ,
Keane as captain done absolutely **** all to raise the team and pull the lazy ****ers up by the scruff of their necks to get them playing and he hardly led by example either with his display
When Lennon broke thru the middle he had Berby and Keane infront of him and 4 defenders, Berby and Keane carried on running infront of him so he had to beat 4 defenders cos nobody had the brains to run and create space , something you see defoe do a lot of times for others benefits.
Still spray a few balls around against a team that gives you the room to play and its easy to look good and pull strings

also re AJ i said in the week hed do us, nobody agreed or at least nobody said they agreed, well he did .

there are players in our team that seem not to get dropped, Robbo, King, Dawson, Lee, ok

Davids ok for now but may need rest periods later in season

Jenas, Keane, should perform better with more consistency to keep their places as we have a dearth of quality replacements

Mate, the other day you sent me a very hospitable personal message and I replied in kind. I have no problem with you at all.

I was not thinking personally about you at all except for when I referred to your Keane sucking mj's cock comment.

I do think that 95% of this forum are doing so many knee jerks after every game that they must have done some cruciate's at this stage. But I was not personally targeting you.

Contrary to what you might believe at home here I don't throw darts at a photo of your username. I only said once that you were personally targeting me and it was after you completely disected one of my posts.

Look we cleared up our problems, I really don't give a shit, you can dissect my posts all you want. I told you before that was not my problem with you. Your entitled to your opinion and I will write back mine.

Which is exactly what I am going to do now:

In truth Keane did not play well in the second half against Sheffield and the other day. But as you later pointed out we all have our bad days. Keane's a very good striker, I think you know that.

He still got into two good positions to score, it would be more worrying if he wasn't getting on the end of anything. As they say I'll be worried when he stops making the runs.

Besides the whole team was playing shit aside from one or two. And as I said our best performance this season and from any player on any team was Keane first half against Shefield. It is very early days.

As for Jenas... it is just the wrong decision to have him in the side. He upsets the balance of creativity to physicality and he's not performing anyway.

This is my opinion about what you say about Defoes movement compared to Keane and Berb:

What answer would you get if you showed any football coach videos of our three forwards and you asked them this question:

Which of those players has the best movement?

I believe you unequivically get this answer: Keane and Berbatov's movement is top drawer and Defoe has a lot to learn in comparison.

And at the risk of sounding like a broken record I'd like to add that I'm not sure you can teach some some of these things, it comes down to a football brain.

If I am like a broken record it is because I am consistant in what I am saying and I believe I am correct.

As for your pre match AJ comment I apogolise if I saw it and forgot to post my agreement... I rate him also and was worried pre match what he might do to Davenport.

His movement is very good, he's different to Keane because he runs the channels instead of dropping off, but like Keane he's clever at getting on the end of things aswell. Very good player.

I still think Keane is better but if AJ continues to improve and prove himself at all levels he could be on the same level.

I agree with your Davids comment.

[deadleyledley]

Talk about the game in here before, during and after
It wasn't a great performance against everton.

[Spur]

It wasn't a great performance against everton.

deadleyledley, a bit quick on that one.

[mjbmedia]

o no its not..............................again is it??????

[singapore spur]

shit start obviously , comments of sacking jol are ridiculous . building a top side needs 3/4 years (unless you can splash out 200 m) , i think we all got carried away by the pre season and thats what m,akes this start so hard to bear .
we arent playing well, lacking a creative spark which is obvious , i dont think dropping keane is a good option , him and lennon are where any creativity is going to come from at the moment .

BUT WE ARE AHEAD OF THE ARSE , a small crumb of comfort

[SCIFIN17YID]

Hmmm wtf "dropping keane" who would we be dropping him for ? and when you mean drop do you mean get rid of him ?