Deadline Day.

[Baleinho]

Guys,

All Deadline Day moves in this thread (makes sense to separate it)

Also, can anyone find a stream for SSN? I'm at work :(

[Baleinho]

http://www.justin.tv/vip____football#/w/353876368/2

[olly27]

My bets for us today are:

Jenas out to Stoke or somewhere..Muntari in.

Hutton out on loan.

Obviously the Croatian keeper on loan.

[Gino Ginelli]

I give up. We need a world class striker and the only mention we have on SSN is for Steven Pienaar.

Another 9 months of Crouch/Defoe it is then...

[olly27]

At this rate its looking like Parker and possibly Cardozo....

[olly27]

I give up. We need a world class striker and the only mention we have on SSN is for Steven Pienaar.

Another 9 months of Crouch/Defoe it is then...

The latest and quickly building ITK is Cardozo who we have linked with all summer but obviously is a third, or fourth choice in terms of a target. He is the only realistic choice left I reckon, as he has been well scouted. At least he is a number 9 though.

Parker could well happen, I think those two are only realistic incomings today.

[Gino Ginelli]

All the ITK I've read this summer has amounted to precisley bobbins. I'm not even reading it anymore. I'll just check SSN and see what the score is come 6pm.

[mjbmedia]

i dont get why we're not in for Eidur?
Seems he's Stoke or possibly Fulham bound to SSN, £2m to cover the wages

[olly27]

All the ITK I've read this summer has amounted to precisley bobbins. I'm not even reading it anymore. I'll just check SSN and see what the score is come 6pm.

True, but it doesn't mean that all of the information was off the mark. Just remember the salt.

We are clearly trying to do some business but it has to be on the right terms for us, something Levy wont deviate from and I fully support him on that.

[MarlowSpurs]

All the ITK I've read this summer has amounted to precisley bobbins. I'm not even reading it anymore. I'll just check SSN and see what the score is come 6pm.

Exactly how I feel, we've been linked with every tom dick and arry and here we are again with hours left till the end and what have we got....an extremely pissed off Keane who knows he's not wanted, Defoe with dodgy bollocks, Crouch who can't keep his dick in his pants and Pav who would be better off doing comparethemerkat adverts.................fvck I'm pissed off.

[MarlowSpurs]

Christ we can't even shift Jenas

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1227: DEAL DONE: And Tottenham boss Harry Redknapp said all would be quiet on the Spurs front today... Croatian keeper Stipe Pletikosa's arrival from Spartak Moscow on a season-long loan has only gone and been confirmed hasn't it. We're rocking and rolling now.

[mjbmedia]

from BBC website, this isnt you is it Olly???

Ollie via text: "Scott Parker's at Spurs Lodge. Not my eyes but from a good source. And any takers on Oscar Cardozo? Daniel levy is sorting that one out as we speak. Oh - Jermaine Jenas has turned down a move to Stoke

[Chewy]

Can't see anything being done to be honest apart from our new keeper.

Would be happy with just Parker at this stage. Really thought we'd be in for a top quality striker but their not easy to get these days I guess.

[Gino Ginelli]

Harry on SSN saying he's expecting to have nothing to do today other than oversee a training match.

Brill Rodders...

[Gino Ginelli]

SSN reckon we're in for Babel... gawd.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12874_6350233,00.html

[Gino Ginelli]

BBC reckon Hutton is on the brink of rejoining 'gers on loan.

[olly27]

Babel sounds like its scraping the barrel, but I think there is a lot more to come from him. Just maybe Harry could do something with him.

[Rojoknapp]

Jesus Christ. If we sign Babel I might just give up and succumb to that temptation that's niggled at the back of my mind for ten years: "F*ck it, just get down to JJB and buy a United shirt like everyone else, in a few years you'll forget you ever supported Spurs" :001_rolleyes:

[earl warwick]

Trying to take Babel on loan, according to Roger Morgan. Can't see that being entertained, and it's not the sort of player fans were looking to join.

Being trying to get on SO for hours and it's overloaded, SC has just close due to the samel. Anyone know if Coys is the same?

[Gino Ginelli]

Jesus Christ. If we sign Babel I might just give up and succumb to that temptation that's niggled at the back of my mind for ten years: "F*ck it, just get down to JJB and buy a United shirt like everyone else, in a few years you'll forget you ever supported Spurs" :001_rolleyes:

Right, I know you're young (in relative terms to me anyway :frown:) and we all go through those "what's the point?" phases as Spurs supporters as we mature, but take a good long look in the mirror, imagine yourself wearing that red filth, slap yourself about the face a few times, then return to your senses.

And never repeat such blasphemy again!! :fight:

[Rojoknapp]

Right, I know you're young (in relative terms to me anyway :frown:) and we all go through those "what's the point?" phases as Spurs supporters as we mature, but take a good long look in the mirror, imagine yourself wearing that red filth, slap yourself about the face a few times, then return to your senses.

And never repeat such blasphemy again!! :fight:

Oh it's too late for me now. I'm in and there's no way out, no amount of prawn sandwhiches will change that. But wouldn't it just be so much easier and nicer to be a United fan.... :sad:

[Apples]

Oh it's too late for me now. I'm in and there's no way out, no amount of prawn sandwhiches will change that. But wouldn't it just be so much easier and nicer to be a United fan.... :sad:

I can't see them lasting too long....think the easiest fan to be at the moment is without doubt Chelsea

[Gino Ginelli]

I like being a Scvnthorpe fan as well, nice community club, small fan base, no pressure or expectations, bit of history but nothing to go crazy about. Nice.

Let's put it in perspective though, imagine being a Leeds or Nottm Forest fan 8 years ago... now that's worth giving up for!

[Baleinho]

Babel has left Liverpool in a helicopter bound for London. Fvcking hell no....

[Gino Ginelli]

Babel has left Liverpool in a helicopter bound for London. Fvcking hell no....

How in the name of crappy mccrap crap do you know that?! Have you got Spooks on the case?

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How in the name of crappy mccrap crap do you know that?! Have you got Spooks on the case?

1419: Sky Sports report that Liverpool striker Ryan Babel is in a helicopter heading to Tottenham as we speak (or write, or tweet or whatever).

BBC Deadline Day live,

If he's not good enough for those scouse tits he's not good enough for us.
whats arry thinking, he's already said "what's he going to do with 5 strikers?" and theres not been anymore news about keane leaving

[Rojoknapp]

NOOOOOOOOOOO please not ryan f*cking babel

[Baleinho]

ITK info: Babel to spurs, Keane to WH, Cole to Liverpool. Christ.

The Babel thing was announced on SSN a while back. The rest is Spooky doing ITK stuff :P lol

[Chewy]

At this rate I'd take Babel. Hopefully Parker too.

[earl warwick]

At this rate I'd take Babel. Hopefully Parker too.
Parker seemingly definitely staying at Wham.

2.28pm: On Twitter, Jacqui Oatley says Scott Parker has told her he is definitely staying at West Ham.

[Chewy]

SSN now reporting Babel going to West Ham, not us.

EDIT: but we're still apparently interested.

I don't know why I get excited for deadline days. They always end up being shit.

[Baleinho]

SSN now reporting Babel going to West Ham, not us.

Helicopter. Destination West Ham. lol.

[TURKISH]

Would rather keep Keane then buy Cordoza.

Shite window when we desperatly needed a top, top striker.:thumbdown:

[Chewy]

Zzzzzzzzzzzz! What a boring transfer window.

The muppets on SSN "It's hotting up here on transfer deadline day!" - No its not!

[Gino Ginelli]

CY: sorry mate, my feed must have been slower than yours, lol!

[olly27]

Babel looks like the only possible incoming player and even that now looks unlikely as West Ham will need another striker if they accept Pool's offer for Cole.

I would be stunned if we sign anybody now, I think thats it. All in all a very underwhelming window - down to the flat market.

[Gazza]

Would rather keep Keane then buy Cordoza.

Shite window when we desperatly needed a top, top striker.:thumbdown:

So true! Its typically spurs style! We have got Keane, Crouchy, Defoe and Pav, why the fvck we need Cardozo? He is on the same level with them. Im always looking forward to this days and it alsways ends up in a shit day. I'm a bit annoyed tbh. We hear names like rossi, Fabiano, KJH and in the end it will be Cardozo, Pienaar or Babel. Rather sign no1, than one of the three. Well now we playing Champions League and we are going another year with Crouch and Defoe. Well done

[TURKISH]

But there's no need wasting money if your top targets aren't gonna come. Not much movement in the window and if we don't bring anyone in we will have to hang on till Jan.

I've never been a fan of Crouch and the Wigan game proved his limitations. But he is great away from home against sides who like to bully us. I think Harry picked the wrong team in Saturday, he needs to play players who want the ball at home and who won't be intimidated by the crowd.

Players like Forlan, Suarez, Fabiano ect would have been pefect for us especially the two Uruguay lads who love the ball into their feet.

Harry needs to be flexible, we don't have many footballers in the squad but in hindsight Keane, JJ and Niko should have started or played a part.

[Gino Ginelli]

I always said I'd take Pienaar. Quality across the midfield from him.

No big outs either though I notice. No exits for JJ, O'Hara etc. Is the market that shite?

[Gino Ginelli]

But there's no need wasting money if your top targets aren't gonna come. Not much movement in the window and if we don't bring anyone in we will have to hang on till Jan.

I've never been a fan of Crouch and the Wigan game proved his limitations. But he is great away from home against sides who like to bully us. I think Harry picked the wrong team in Saturday, he needs to play players who want the ball at home and who won't be intimidated by the crowd.

Players like Forlan, Suarez, Fabiano ect would have been pefect for us especially the two Uruguay lads who love the ball into their feet.

Harry needs to be flexible, we don't have many footballers in the squad but in hindsight Keane, JJ and Niko should have started or played a part.

We just need to play the good footballers. We have them, we should use them.

[Gino Ginelli]

Classic from the BBC TDD stopwatch:


Anon via text: "The Wikipedia page on 'brinkmanship' is priceless. Right after using nuclear weapons as an example it says 'Also used by Daniel Levy in negotiating deals to buy or loan players for Tottenham Hotspur FC. He inevitably fails and in desperation buys a "Frazier Campbell" type player in the last minutes of the transfer window'."

[mjbmedia]

its all bollocks anyway, the best teams have done the deals way before deadline day, if youre still seriously trying to sew up a deal in the last 24 hours then youre shit, unless of course someone suddenly becomes free as a result of something else going on .
for about 3 years it was interesting and SSN latched onto it and made a whole days TV viewing from it, now it sucks

[earl warwick]

I always said I'd take Pienaar. Quality across the midfield from him.

No big outs either though I notice. No exits for JJ, O'Hara etc. Is the market that shite?
JOH injured until Jan, had an operation on his back, so wouldn't pass a medical. JJ supposedly not interested in a loan to Stoke.

Expect Naughton could be a late loan, but it is surprising that the only squad out has so far been Taarabt.

[Gino Ginelli]

Beeb again (far better coverage than SSN if you ask me as far as web coverage goes):

Kamroks on 606: (http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A73646256) "Just spoke to (Tottenham striker) Robbie Keane's brother here in Dublin. He's going nowhere."
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A73646256)

[Gino Ginelli]

Not Spurs related, but WTF is this?!

Martin O'Neill is being brought in to replace the outbound David Moyes at Everton. Moyes will make Mikel Arteta his first signing as the new Aston Villa boss.


I can't believe Moyes would leave Everton like that after all these years. No way!

[earl warwick]

Gudjohnsen at Stoke and about to sign.

Babel seems to be going to either Wham or us. Ineligible for CL so that wouldn't make a difference, but he should be thinking that one of those clubs could be bottom of the league with null points after 6 games.

[TURKISH]

Not Spurs related, but WTF is this?!



I can't believe Moyes would leave Everton like that after all these years. No way!

I heard about this yesterday, I would lose respect for Moyes if he did that. He has built a good team at Everton and what difference is there between the two clubs?

[earl warwick]

Not Spurs related, but WTF is this?!



I can't believe Moyes would leave Everton like that after all these years. No way!
It's from 606, so about as authoritative as the all the tools that post they've seen Messi and Xavi arriving at the DW Stadium.

[Gino Ginelli]

It's from 606, so about as authoritative as the all the tools that post they've seen Messi and Xavi arriving at the DW Stadium.

You mean they didn't?!?!? :scared:

[earl warwick]

4.19pm: I'm hearing that Tottenham have offered £10m for Ryan Babel.

A bidding war with Wham? I thought 9m was easily enough.

[Gino Ginelli]

BBC:


Pierre van Gild via text: "Hello, I am good friends with Ryan Babel and he wants to reassure the Anfield faithful that he is not on a helicopter and definitely isn't going to sign for anyone."


and then

Daily Telegraph's deputy football correspondent Jason Burt on Twitter: (http://twitter.com/jasonburt_tele) "Tottenham have offered Liverpool £10m for Ryan Babel."
(http://twitter.com/jasonburt_tele)

Believe what you will yids...

[TURKISH]

Money well spent, the new Thierry Henry......

[Gino Ginelli]

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[olly27]

Babel's twitter says he aint going nowhere!

[olly27]

Its nada....nothing, we are done.

[Gino Ginelli]

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Henry Hoover... it's an old one :001_rolleyes:

[Gino Ginelli]

Its nada....nothing, we are done.

This is a disgrace!! We've failed yet again to gain vital strength in a key area of the squad!! :angry:

Oh well, I guess we'll just have to make do with the squad we have, who are only good enough to get... fourth... place... :mellow:

:blink::blink:

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

[olly27]

This is a disgrace!! We've failed yet again to gain vital strength in a key area of the squad!! :angry:

Oh well, I guess we'll just have to make do with the squad we have, who are only good enough to get... fourth... place... :mellow:

:blink::blink:

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Yeah until Man City threw another 150 million at it :santaclaus:

In all seriousness we have strengthened, with Gallas and Sandro but would loved a world class number 9 but with the way the market is these guys dont grow on trees unfortunately.

[Gino Ginelli]

Yeah until Man City threw another 150 million at it :santaclaus:

In all seriousness we have strengthened, with Gallas and Sandro but would loved a world class number 9 but with the way the market is these guys dont grow on trees unfortunately.

I know, it makes a bloody mockery of everyone else's cagey approach to the window when they can just go do that. They've probably gone and upgraded on each key position and can make a serious push this season. Although their result against Sunderland would suggest they are capable of the same bollocks we are...

But yeah, Gallas is definately strengthening our defence, Sandro will be an upgrade on Palacios. It's not too shabby is it?

Put it this way, at least we weren't as bad as Man Utd and went and signed the wrong player again...

[Gino Ginelli]

Right, I'm off home. Hopefully in the half hour it takes me we'll pull a miracle signing of Luis Suarez and Sully Muntari in the dying seconds in exchange for Jermaine Jenas and a bag of pork scratchings.

COYS!

[highlander]

SSN are reporting Van Der Vaart could be on the way. What a deal!

[olly27]

Van de Vart maybe!!!!!!!


OMG - class if this comes off.

[earl warwick]

No way this just happened in the last 5 mins. What was Babel's helicopter ride, a spectacle to divert everyone's attention?

Certainly a big steak being thrown to the fans, who'd already prepared their whinging posts and condemnations.

[Spur]

**** Stoke SSN get down to Spurs Lodge.

[TURKISH]

Just what we NEED! Hoperfully this will shut all the spurs fans up who have been slagging Levy and co off.

[Spur]

Reports from Spain saying he's rejected us.

SSN saying VDV needs to go through for Bentley to go to Fulham.

[Spur]

I don't reckon we've done it.

Surely?

[olly27]

and if it comes off...Bentley to fulham on loan.

Did they mention it was loan for VDV?

Gino will be pleased when he gest home.

[earl warwick]

I bet VDV's been there since yesterday, possibly in a secluded room, all pre-arranged with Sky. Mainly Spurs stories again today - Pienaar, Pienaar with Keane included, Babel in a helicopter, then Babel's helicopter going to Wham, but then a big fight between Wham and Spurs, then Babel's getting a train back, 5 mins to go, last minute Dutch international, go for a break, VDV!!!!

Completely pre-planned.

[olly27]

Feck sake...hope we are not let down here.

[TURKISH]

Feck sake...hope we are not let down here.

Hopefully brother, but I have a funny feeling this aint happening. This is so left field, surely this aint gonna go through?

[olly27]

Hopefully brother, but I have a funny feeling this aint happening. This is so left field, surely this aint gonna go through?

Exact turn of phrase used by POTL earlier on an ITK update.

It could well go through, we just havn't had time to keep the media, and SSN particularly , in the loop yet.

[TURKISH]

Where's that **** Andy two phones Burton?

[TURKISH]

One itk Roger Morgan said at 5.52pm Babel to sign with Bentley to Everton. 8min later ssn reporting that VDV to spurs with Bentley to Fulham.:laugh:

God what will ssn do till Jan?

[earl warwick]

Where's that **** Andy two phones Burton?
3 phones. They obviously realised they couldn't kid anyone with the complete lack of transfer activity. Discount City, and it's at about a quarter of the level of 2 years ago.

[olly27]

Fulham now denying the Bentley link....this sounds pretty dodgy at the moment...every passing minute makes it less likely.

[TURKISH]

This aint happening, surely?:bike:

[olly27]

This aint happening, surely?:bike:

Arshavin was signed a day later. I guess it just depends if anything document wise has been submitted with more to follow sort of theme.

[Chewy]

Fulham now denying the Bentley link....this sounds pretty dodgy at the moment...every passing minute makes it less likely.

I agree.

I'll be gutted if it doesn't go through now, why do they mess with our heads/hearts? :(

[TURKISH]

Arshavin was signed a day later. I guess it just depends if anything document wise has been submitted with more to follow sort of theme.

They were linked with him for a while? God please let this happen, he would be perfect in a 451 and hopefully we can bring in a quality striker in Jan.

[TURKISH]

I agree.

I'll be gutted if it doesn't go through now, why do they mess with our heads/hearts? :(

They do the bastards, now I'm wasting time watching ssn when I could be getting things done.:glare:

[earl warwick]

6.35pm: Now hearing that Rafael van der Vaart is at Spurs Lodge right now this minute.

Well done, Guardian, that was only announced 40 mins ago. :001_rolleyes:

[earl warwick]

They do the bastards, now I'm wasting time watching ssn when I could be getting things done.:glare:
Told ya it was pre-arranged. Record viewing figures for the next 2 hours, which they'll attribute to the move to HD. :glare:

[TURKISH]

What are they basing this information on? Andy Burtons fourth phone? We were gonna buy Babel all the way till 6pm, apparently he was in a helicopter most likely with Les Ferdinand flying it.:001_rolleyes:

How has VDV slipped under the radar, even arriving at the lodge without ssn knowing?:001_rolleyes:

I sense SSN bollocks trying to make fans carry on watching until Harry comes out and tells them to fvck off.

[earl warwick]

Yeah.

Sky: Harry, what's happening with VDV? We know he's here.

H: Who? The Madrid boy? Where do these stories come from? I thought it was April Fools! I've been watching a practice game, there's no Dutch internationals here. The chairman gave Madrid a ring last week but nothing doing, they wanted 25m for him, ridiculous.

[Gino Ginelli]

Ha ha, I left with the Suarez remark and look what happens. BBC and SSN at it with the Van Der Vaart now!

This'll be a microcosm of our whole transfer window. Lot's of noise "OMGZ we're in for Dzeko and Forlan!!!!!!" ending with tumbleweed strewn across Chigwell...

Not that I'm cynical or anything...

[TURKISH]

madrid spur on FTL:

...now remember this what I have been texted...nothing more:

Diarra and VDV to Spurs.

RM asked for special dispensation to extend time as considered international deal...

That is all.

:001_rolleyes:

[TURKISH]

This aint happening.

[earl warwick]

Diarra's injured - Marca.

I'll give it 20 mins and then stop wasting my time. VDV would be a great signing, but not at the level of someone like Dzeko.

[TURKISH]

I'll wait till 8pm and then I'm calling it a day.

[earl warwick]

Jez on 606: "Rumour (from a good source) is that Van der Vaart has signed a season long loan with Spurs. The loan agreement apparently includes a purchase agreement for an, obviously, undisclosed amount..."

It's 606, but suspiciously believable.

[earl warwick]

On an slightly related Spurs topic, how the **** is Gyan worth £13m, when Bent, proven 1 in 2 games scorer, was only £10m? I know there are add-ons, but Gyan is a massive risk. Less than half that fee for me.

Mind you, I thought Bent was a better buy than Torres, based on Torres's record in Spain, and seeing how Morientes, who looked a sound choice, had disappointed.

[olly27]

I actually think that this is likely to go through, Harry is still there which indicates something is defintely still going on...and it aint a practice match!!!

Paper work was obviously submitted and their thrashing out the finer parts of the deal before obviously going public.

Think we would of heard by now if it was a no goer.

[earl warwick]

Enough for me, back in 2 hours.

[olly27]

Marca says its on!!!!

http://www.marca.com/

[olly27]

YES....Harry confirms we are waiting for the Premier League to ratify the documentation.......

Happy ****ing days....and for 8 million!!!!!! (I think he said)

[earl warwick]

YES....Harry confirms we are waiting for the Premier League to ratify the documentation.......

Happy ****ing days....and for 8 million!!!!!! (I think he said)
Marca says more than 10m euros, probably about £8.5m, which is about what they paid for hiim - £9m.

[TURKISH]

Apparently Jose rang Harry up and said do you want VDV.:laugh: Wenger and co must be fuming.

8 to 10m that is a bargain, he would be a fantastic signing.

[olly27]

Marca says more than 10m euros, probably about £8.5m, which is about what they paid for hiim - £9m.

Whatever way you cut it, its pretty incredibile business for a player who was strutting his stuff for one of, if not the, biggest Clubs in the world and is fresh out of a WC final - and its not like he's in his thirties, he's 27 and entering his peak. A fantastic age, loads of experience and still has plenty of years infront of him.

WOW - Levy you really are something else.

[Gino Ginelli]

Holy fvcking shit. Please don't let me get my hopes up, please! What a fvcking signing if it happens in time!

[Gino Ginelli]

From the Beeb:

1953: Those Harry Redknapp quotes for you, then: "It (The Rafael van der Vaart deal) is still dragging on. We have been trying to do something but we are waiting to see if it has all gone through and we are hoping it has. It's something to do with clearance. I think he was going to Bayern Munich yesterday for £18m and suddenly he became much cheaper. They let me know around 1600 BST that he was available for £8m and for that money he is a top player who will definitely improve us. The fee has come crashing down because the deadline is so close. He's a great passer of the ball, he's a top footballer, he will join in here and be a big plus for us. We were also interested in Ryan Babel, he was a player we made an enquiry about but it never came close."

[mjbmedia]

quote from BBC

ahh GG beat me to it, loving it Levy is god , and he aint Champions League/European tied like some of the other targets we supposedly had, so I'll wait for the ITK posse to say they had it down in pencil for the last week or so whilst of course all their other predictions frittered away to dust

[olly27]

Holy fvcking shit. Please don't let me get my hopes up, please! What a fvcking signing if it happens in time!

It will happen, judging by Harry's obvious beam I would say its 99% going to happen.

[TURKISH]

The abuse Harry and Levy have got this past two days has been insane. People writing abusive letters, fans forgetting the great job Harry has done ect.

[olly27]

This is what Levy's reputation gets you...brinkmanship and the lot!

For all those who bitched (not on here) about Levy, have some of that!

[olly27]

The abuse Harry and Levy have got this past two days has been insane. People writing abusive letters, fans forgetting the great job Harry has done ect.

Spot on Turk...I always back Levy, always will. Best in the business.

[mjbmedia]

Apparently Jose rang Harry up and said do you want VDV.:laugh: Wenger and co must be fuming.

8 to 10m that is a bargain, he would be a fantastic signing.
Harry always got on well with Jose, we could get some more 'bargains' in January I reckon

[TURKISH]

Honestly guys the abuse that Harry and Daniel have recieved on other boards has been amazing. How on earth are we signing these top players? I remember signing Andy Booth on loan once.:laugh:

I'm fvcking dancing in my bedroom with delight.

http://i52.tinypic.com/332mst3.gif

[olly27]

Felt dirty doing this but check out the Scum's reaction to the potential signing of VDV!:

http://arsenal-mania.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=105861&start=240

[earl warwick]

Whatever way you cut it, its pretty incredibile business for a player who was strutting his stuff for one of, if not the, biggest Clubs in the world and is fresh out of a WC final - and its not like he's in his thirties, he's 27 and entering his peak. A fantastic age, loads of experience and still has plenty of years infront of him.

WOW - Levy you really are something else.
Probably more to do with Jose and Madrid. Possibly the one instance where CL football has made a difference to the player, since he is eligible, and left Hamburg for Madrid because he could have the chance of CL.

Harry's story is completely unbelievable. They got a call at 4pm saying he was available for 8m? Presumably VDV just happened to be within a short distance of Spurs Lodge. :001_rolleyes:

[TURKISH]

Look at who Liverpool are signing and the squad we have assembled. Amazing.

[peterc]

Hopefully this VDV deal does go through, one deal that none of us ever thought or mentioned. Well done Mr Levy, I hope you have pulled this deal in time.

[NDC123]

Felt dirty doing this but check out the Scum's reaction to the potential signing of VDV!:


http://arsenal-mania.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=105861&start=240


I cant bring my self to click on the link - what are they saying? Are they not very happy? At least they have managed to hang on to Almunia!

[TURKISH]

I cant bring my self to click on the link - what are they saying? Are they not very happy? At least they have managed to hang on to Almunia!

Word around now is VDV signing failed

VDV to Sp*rs is now true.


Bloody hell, Tottenham picked up van der Vaart for a bargain price, and someone said there's no value in the transfer market this summer. There has been a **** load of bargain purchases.

Yeah he'll improve the spuds alright. Their squad doesn't look half bad tbh.

Cannot understand why Wenger hasnt take him on loan a quality player were is the link

That TURKISH on thfctalk is handsome

:001_rolleyes:

[peterc]

Ever heard Carly Simon's song Turk?.

[NDC123]

Cool thanks for the info. Ps didnt realise they knew you on there!

[NDC123]

Dont see any reason why this would not go through. After all the scum signed Arseshaving a couple days after the transfer window shut

[TURKISH]

Ever heard Carly Simon's song Turk?.

No :laugh:

[peterc]

No :laugh:

You're so ............... :ciao::ciao:

[hastingsyid]

happy as fvck

[olly27]

Ben posting its done....

[TURKISH]

happy as fvck

What? Has the mrs gone out?

[TURKISH]

Ben posting its done....

Not a fan of Ben personally.

[NDC123]

Who is Ben?

[olly27]

Who is Ben?

My little Jack Russel :santaclaus:

[MarlowSpurs]

That TURKISH on thfctalk is handsome

Feckin ell Turks mum posts on an arsenal forum

[olly27]

Not a fan of Ben personally.

I would doubt its done yet anyway. I am very confident it will go through though, I would say tomorrow at some stage.

[MarlowSpurs]

Who is Ben?

According to google about 268000000 results

About 268,000,000 results (0.29 seconds)

[NDC123]

My little Jack Russel :santaclaus:


He's probably got more insider knowledge than anyone that posts on Spurs Community then!

[olly27]

Well our own JD says it done..so it must be!!!! haha ...love his spelling! Probably not legit though!

http://twitter.com/jermaineDefoe

[TURKISH]

According to google about 268000000 results

Kin hell, I just spate my steak pie all over the screen.

[TURKISH]

Well our own JD says it done..so it must be!!!! haha ...love his spelling!

http://twitter.com/jermaineDefoe

I help him run his twitter site....:laugh:

[olly27]

Check out this goal against the Scum in his Hamburg days (just to get you all in the mood :santaclaus:):

http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/6741039/

[MarlowSpurs]

His other half........ding feckin dong



http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0fxAbJidMQe9M/610x.jpg

[TURKISH]

-----------------Gomes--------------------


--Gallas-----Dawson-----King-----BAE



------------Hudd--------Mod--------



--Lennon----------VDV-----------Bale


------------------PAV-----------


OR:

-----------------Gomes-------------


---------Gallas---Dawson----King


Lennon-----------------------------Bale


-----------Hudd----VDV----Mod

-----------Pav----------JD

I prefer the first option.

[TURKISH]

His other half........ding feckin dong



http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0fxAbJidMQe9M/610x.jpg


I know, Haven't seen Crouch this happy.

http://www.thecuttingrooms.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Peter-Crouch-001.jpg

[olly27]

I would say away in Europe you could see:

Gomes

Corluka
Gallas
King
Ekotto

Hudd
Modric

Lennon
VDV
Bale

Crouch

[TURKISH]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWB4n08iBTY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_gdrKuGnNU...feature=related

Loved that Harry couldn't stop smiling when being interviewed. This guy is class, him mod and Niko linking up would be superb.

[olly27]

**** this doesn't look good:


peanut :


Quote:
All going off now. The paperwork was late and we're claiming 'technical difficulties' - Premier League are demanding proof. Odds slightly against at the moment and won't be sorted out today. The PL are saying they might need technical reports from the machines as evidence etc

This is 100% the situation. I don't post what I know very often but Prof and others will verify my info is well sourced

[Rojoknapp]

What would actually happen if the Premier League don't allow it? Does it make the whole thing invalid and he goes back to Réal or does he just kick his heels until January when we can get him signed up?

[olly27]

Still think it will go through. I reckon we would of been told no by now.

[olly27]

Peanut again :


Quote:
Re Arshavin deal we have brought it up with them. The PL claim the paperwork was all filed on time but the delay was because they went through it with a fine toothcomb as they were worried about third-party ownership.

[Rojoknapp]

I thought they got away with Arshavin because of all the snow that day? They weren't able to get him there on time or whatever...

[olly27]

Every flipping deal which has gone to the wire has always gone through...Ashley cole/gallas, Benjani...Arshavin... This has to go through surely...

[TURKISH]

Typical FA, they allow the scum to get away with such deals. ******S.

[Rojoknapp]

Every flipping deal which has gone to the wire has always gone through...Ashley cole/gallas, Benjani...Arshavin... This has to go through surely...

Benjani was hilarious - didn't he miss his plane because he fell asleep? Pillock :laugh:

[olly27]

Typical FA, they allow the scum to get away with such deals. ******S.

I reckon it will go through, the more I think about it we would of been told no chance earlier on IMO.

[NDC123]

Benjani was hilarious - didn't he miss his plane because he fell asleep? Pillock :laugh:


Man City even admitted that they had not got it completed on time yet somehow the transfer was still allowed to happen!

[earl warwick]

Peanut again :


Quote:
Re Arshavin deal we have brought it up with them. The PL claim the paperwork was all filed on time but the delay was because they went through it with a fine toothcomb as they were worried about third-party ownership.

Fine, but the real question is: Why leave everything to the last moment?

The fee isn't the question. Madrid have got their money back, they wouldn't have expected anything like £18m. Jose knew the players he wanted to keep (Diarra a possible exception), since he has Gago, M Diarra and Gago to line up alongside Alonso. Also Pepe if he was desperate.

Where would VDV be likely to feature in a centre where Kaka, Canizares, and Ozil are available? The answer is nowhere. I expected VDV to end up at Bremen or elsewhere in Germany.

A real coup for us. The player to replace Modric, or line up in a 4-5-1 alongside, or in the centre with Hudd with Modric left and Bale LB.

[olly27]

Fine, but the real question is: Why leave everything to the last moment?

The fee isn't the question. Madrid have got their money back, they wouldn't have expected anything like £18m. Jose knew the players he wanted to keep (Diarra a possible exception), since he has Gago, M Diarra and Gago to line up alongside Alonso. Also Pepe if he was desperate.

Where would VDV be likely to feature in a centre where Kaka, Canizares, and Ozil are available? The answer is nowhere. I expected VDV to end up at Bremen or elsewhere in Germany.

A real coup for us. The player to replace Modric, or line up in a 4-5-1 alongside, or in the centre with Hudd with Modric left and Bale LB.


Elaborate Earl? You expect Modric to go in the near future? Or do you mean to fill in when Modric is missing?

[TURKISH]

Elaborate Earl? You expect Modric to go in the near future? Or do you mean to fill in when Modric is missing?

Both, but I think E was thinking more of replacing Modric when he isn't available like Wigan last Saturday.

[Gino Ginelli]

Elaborate Earl? You expect Modric to go in the near future? Or do you mean to fill in when Modric is missing?

The latter I'd presume.

[TURKISH]

Confirmation will most likely happen tomorrow, no one seems to know but double standards if this falls through.

If it does hopefully the two clubs will still carry on with the deal.

[olly27]

I know rules are there for a reason and deadlines etc..but come on if we were a few minutes over surley the FA can accept a ropey excuse....like we forgot to turn on the fax machine :santaclaus:

Seriously though I would be pretty surprised if it wasn't approved tomorrow.

[TURKISH]

I know rules are there for a reason and deadlines etc..but come on if we were a few minutes over surley the FA can accept a ropey excuse....like we forgot to turn on the fax machine :santaclaus:

Seriously though I would be pretty surprised if it wasn't approved tomorrow.

But you have to remember who runs the FA.:001_rolleyes:

[olly27]

But you have to remember who runs the FA.:001_rolleyes:

Scudamore is the Chief Executive of the PL...and he's also a flipping Gooner!

[TURKISH]

Scudamore is the Chief Executive of the PL...and he's also a flipping Gooner!

The FA will fvck us over, but how many times do they look the other way when Arsenals involved? Gallas and Arshavin was late deals. Also what about Benjani?:thumbdown:

But Harry was very happy leaving the lodge, which must mean he is very confident the deal will go through.

God I fvcking hope it goes through.:sad::bawling:

[olly27]

A little info from roger morgan on spurs odd:
Been told that legally the Premier League would be on dodgy ground halting this move. Apparently their side of the operation was less than efficient and they were deluged, as they always are, by paperwork at window time. Loads of clubs had trouble getting paperwork confirmation from League. It has nothing to do with the FA by the way, this is a Premier League and FIFA operation. On Monday, I'm told the PL didn't even staff up their offices for the Bank Holiday. I'm told the deal should be sanctioned tomorrow. There may be some sort of statement urging clubs not to push it. But we should remember that the Premier League is there to facilitate the signing of good players to their League. They are not there to quibble over a delay of a few minutes caused by a logjam of paperwork.

Well, that's my five penn'orth

[Chewy]

I'm confident it will go through. Exciting stuff! :D

[Antilokhos]

I think it will go through, and it's a great signing. BUT, it's not what was needed. We desperately need a top quality striker, and we know that's not something we could pick up on the cheap. We did not address our needs, so I think this was a failed transfer window for us.

I am delighted to have Van der Vaart coming, a fantastic signing and I have no doubt he's going to help make us a better team. But I don't think he's going to get the goals that we need.

Mixed emotions, happy on this one signing, but disappointed overall.

[TURKISH]

I think we addressed our needs but you can't help when your transfer targets don't want to join or clubs can't agree a fee.

We needed a defender, we brought in Gallas.

We needed a creative midfielder who could score, create goals and improve our squad. We got that in VDV.

Sandro could turn out to be a cracking buy, fingers crossed he does the buisness.

How many strikers out there that would improve us? Fabiano didn't want to join, then he did and Sevilla kept fvcking around with the price. 25m for Fab who has a 1 year left on his contract? No way pedro.

Harry isn't stupid he tried for a striker, but he couldn't get his top targets. Maybe a blessing in disguise, a player could come available in Jan and the rest is history.

[TURKISH]

The Scout on COYS.

should be fine re VDV..
not 50-50
more like 80-20

[MarlowSpurs]

Signature ammended

[Antilokhos]

I think we addressed our needs but you can't help when your transfer targets don't want to join or clubs can't agree a fee.

We needed a defender, we brought in Gallas.

We needed a creative midfielder who could score, create goals and improve our squad. We got that in VDV.

Sandro could turn out to be a cracking buy, fingers crossed he does the buisness.

How many strikers out there that would improve us? Fabiano didn't want to join, then he did and Sevilla kept fvcking around with the price. 25m for Fab who has a 1 year left on his contract? No way pedro.

Harry isn't stupid he tried for a striker, but he couldn't get his top targets. Maybe a blessing in disguise, a player could come available in Jan and the rest is history.
You are assuming that we are still competitive in January. We needed to build on last season and we didn't, we've mostly stayed still. Gallas is pretty much a straight swap for Woodgate, Sandro is unlikely to impact given how young he is.

Yes, Van der Vaart is a very nice player to have, and we seem to have gotten him at a good price. But midfield was the one part of the squad that didn't need addressed so it seems a bit silly that our big signing was there.

[olly27]

I think it will go through, and it's a great signing. BUT, it's not what was needed. We desperately need a top quality striker, and we know that's not something we could pick up on the cheap. We did not address our needs, so I think this was a failed transfer window for us.

I am delighted to have Van der Vaart coming, a fantastic signing and I have no doubt he's going to help make us a better team. But I don't think he's going to get the goals that we need.

Mixed emotions, happy on this one signing, but disappointed overall.

I agree about the striker, but disagree strongly that he is unliley to get us goals. Have you seen his stats...its something like 93 goals in 240 odd games.

The one thing we have lacked for years is a goal scoring midfielder and when the strikers dont turn up we have no answer for goals. We couldn't get a top notch striker this window, another solution is to go for a top class attacking midfielder who has a fantastic goal return.

Modric wont get the goals from playing in behind, VDV will.

[olly27]

You are assuming that we are still competitive in January. We needed to build on last season and we didn't, we've mostly stayed still. Gallas is pretty much a straight swap for Woodgate, Sandro is unlikely to impact given how young he is.

Yes, Van der Vaart is a very nice player to have, and we seem to have gotten him at a good price. But midfield was the one part of the squad that didn't need addressed so it seems a bit silly that our big signing was there.

It did need addressed, we dont get enough goals from there - its another way to get more goals if you cant upgrade a striker, which is difficult. Playing a 4-5-1 will allow us to use Modric and VDV, particularly away in Europe.

Woodgate played a handful of games last season, so its not like he played any real part in getting us fourth last season. Gallas and VDV bring a wealth of experience and quality to this squad. Sandro could be ready before many think.

Sorry that is not standing still, couldn't disagree more.

[Gino Ginelli]

Not a bad deadline day, typical last gasp nonsense from us. You wait around for ages with the Fabiano's, and the Parker's and the what not. And then 5 mins from time, up pops Van Der Vaart! Mental.

Always got the feeling Mourinho liked us. Still want him as Spurs manager when he get's booted out of Real and Harry's had enough. I think he'd enjoy it here.

Anyway, decent enough transfer window considering the flatness of the market. Experienced replacement for Woody in Gallas, upgrade on Wilson and Jenas in Sandro, good goalkeeper backup in Pletikosa, and a World Cup finalist playmaker in Rafael Van Der Vaart who is comparable to David Silva (who cost City over £20m), upgrades on Krancjar/Keane/JJ in one fell swoop! All for under £20m, and two of them were free!

Yeah we coukld have done with trading in one underperforming striker for a prolific one, but it's still a decent job if you ask me.

[olly27]

Not a bad deadline day, typical last gasp nonsense from us. You wait around for ages with the Fabiano's, and the Parker's and the what not. And then 5 mins from time, up pops Van Der Vaart! Mental.

Always got the feeling Mourinho liked us. Still want him as Spurs manager when he get's booted out of Real and Harry's had enough. I think he'd enjoy it here.

Anyway, decent enough transfer window considering the flatness of the market. Experienced replacement for Woody in Gallas, upgrade on Wilson and Jenas in Sandro, good goalkeeper backup in Pletikosa, and a World Cup finalist playmaker in Rafael Van Der Vaart who is comparable to David Silva (who cost City over £20m), upgrades on Krancjar/Keane/JJ in one fell swoop! All for under £20m, and two of them were free!

Yeah we coukld have done with trading in one underperforming striker for a prolific one, but it's still a decent job if you ask me.


Good post GG. I still dont think some on here recognise the coup this would be if we pull it off. I would take VDV over Silva anyway and for the figures quoted for both its an absolute no contest. He edges it as the better player for me.

The reason why we are getting him for 8 million is completely down to it being last minute - had it not been we would of be paying quite a few million more.


Extremely excited by this and we have always needed a bigger goal return from midfield. I could see VDV doing very well at Spurs, very well.

Now let us pray :santaclaus:

[Antilokhos]

Not a bad deadline day[b], typical last gasp nonsense from us. You wait around for ages with the Fabiano's, and the Parker's and the what not. And then 5 mins from time, up pops Van Der Vaart! Mental.

Always got the feeling Mourinho liked us. Still want him as Spurs manager when he get's booted out of Real and Harry's had enough. I think he'd enjoy it here.

Anyway, decent enough transfer window considering the flatness of the market. Experienced replacement for Woody in Gallas, [b]upgrade on Wilson and Jenas in Sandro, good goalkeeper backup in Pletikosa, and a World Cup finalist playmaker in Rafael Van Der Vaart who is comparable to David Silva (who cost City over £20m), upgrades on Krancjar/Keane/JJ in one fell swoop! All for under £20m, and two of them were free!

Yeah we coukld have done with trading in one underperforming striker for a prolific one, but it's still a decent job if you ask me.

Agreed on the first point, good deadline day, bad transfer window I think.

Based on what exactly? That he's Brazilian? That there is a lot of hype around him? He's not proven anywhere in Europe and jumping from Brazil to England is a major switch. To act like he is going to walk into the club, instantly settle into a completely different culture, and become the best DM we have is very wishful thinking based on absolutely nothing concrete as far as I can tell.

[Antilokhos]

I agree about the striker, but disagree strongly that he is unliley to get us goals. Have you seen his stats...its something like 93 goals in 240 odd games.

The one thing we have lacked for years is a goal scoring midfielder and when the strikers dont turn up we have no answer for goals. We couldn't get a top notch striker this window, another solution is to go for a top class attacking midfielder who has a fantastic goal return.

Modric wont get the goals from playing in behind, VDV will.

I am not unhappy at all about signing Van der Vaart. He is a top class player who will produce for us. Very thrilled that we were able to take advantage when this offer popped up. However, one move does not a successful transfer window make. We failed to address our biggest needs and a lack of top drawer striker is likely to hurt us more than the addition of a top drawer midfielder.

[olly27]

Like any new signing there is never any guarantees, particularly younger foreign imports but Sandro has been scouted for a long time and has been building quite a reputation for himself. You dont get into the fringes of the Brazial squad at the age of 21 if you dont have something about you.

Palacios has been on the decline for some time now, as much as I like him it is sticking out like a sore thumb. As for Jenas? Well he's still Jenas - on his day he can very useful, but more on often than not it isn't his day really, but to be fair to him he can turn in some solid displays. A good squad player for me though - who knows he aint first choice.

The way things are at the moment I wouldn't be one bit surprised if Sandro eclipses both these players in the not too distant future, maybe not this side of Xmas but sooner rather than later.

Hell it may even get Wilson to focus more and up his game.

[Gino Ginelli]

Based on what exactly? That he's Brazilian? That there is a lot of hype around him? He's not proven anywhere in Europe and jumping from Brazil to England is a major switch. To act like he is going to walk into the club, instantly settle into a completely different culture, and become the best DM we have is very wishful thinking based on absolutely nothing concrete as far as I can tell.

In that he's a hard working defensive midfielder who also has good passing range and has already won major club honours in his country. I am under no illusions whatsoever that he will instantly become our greatest midfielder destroyer since that scots bloke from Hearts came down to the Lane, but I think there are alot of pointers to suggest that we have indeed signed a very highly rated young player with more natural talent and composure than Palacios, and with time will prove to be very key.

Or he could be another Kevin Prince Boateng for us. Only we'll be playing him in his correct position.

[olly27]

I am not unhappy at all about signing Van der Vaart. He is a top class player who will produce for us. Very thrilled that we were able to take advantage when this offer popped up. However, one move does not a successful transfer window make. We failed to address our biggest needs and a lack of top drawer striker is likely to hurt us more than the addition of a top drawer midfielder.

We havn't failed. If Levy couldn't do a deal that was within the interests of the Club, well that is not failure.

Levy wont deviate from that. We couldn't get the targets we wanted on deals which were feasible - for the Club. There are a lot of variables in play with deals - not to mention an ever changing environment. Levy has the big picture to think about.

Yes it would of been brillant had we got a top class forward in on a deal that was realistic for the Club but it wasn't to be. I dont see that as being a failure, we have just been a tad unlucky.

We need more goals upfront though. We couldn't do it with a striker so we bought a very attacking minded midfielder for an absolute steal - and a world class one as well. Thats a pretty dam good way to make up for the loss of a top notch striker. We have been crying out for more goals from midfield. When you look at the way Gerrard, Lampard and even Fabergas have contrubuted in recent seasons. There practically forward goal stats anyway.

[MarlowSpurs]

If VDV does come off I've got a new found love for the special one and RM.

[TURKISH]

You are assuming that we are still competitive in January. We needed to build on last season and we didn't, we've mostly stayed still. Gallas is pretty much a straight swap for Woodgate, Sandro is unlikely to impact given how young he is.

Yes, Van der Vaart is a very nice player to have, and we seem to have gotten him at a good price. But midfield was the one part of the squad that didn't need addressed so it seems a bit silly that our big signing was there.

I would hardly call this standing still, we built on last season for sure. Fans wanted a cb and we brought in Gallas. Fantastic buy imo. Gallas is a straight swap on a player who never plays. Why can't Sandro have an impact? Lennon did, Bale did, Hudd is ever improving and if your good enough your old enough.

Very nice player to have? The guy is bordering World class for me, for 8 million that is a deal that only Levy could pull off.

How many of our Midfielders get goals? Or create goals? Only Bale, Niko and Lennon. Hudd hardly scores, Palacios can't pass let alone score and Modric doesn't have a end product. VDV will score you 10 plus goals and even more assists. He can also play at the highest level and change a game with a bit of skill. The guy is the closest thing to Hoddle we have had in yonks. I wouldn't count Modric because he doesn't score or assist.

We tried for a striker, but if your targets aint gonna join what can you do? Buy Charlton Cole?

[olly27]

VDV is world class for me. Ok he only got a chance in the first eleven last season because Kaka got injured, but he played pretty well on most occssions. I mean his Hamburg form was sensational. 83 caps for Holland as well.

This is the biggest signing we have made since Klinsmann IMO. I think we have a few players who are close to world class or just about edging into that bracket. But for me this will be the stand out player on our books, the one world class player we can really boast about it with some conviction - if he settles and plays how we know he can.

Most other fans know it as well, thats why they are envious.

Providing we kick on and keep making progress this signing should lure more world class players to the Lane. This could be the start of it. If we qualify out of the group for the CL, a forward in January could be on the cards. No matter, this is a huge signing for THFC. Fits the profile for a Spurs Legend in the making - and for 8 flipping million.

Thrilled, totally thrilled.

Take a bow Levy.

[Gino Ginelli]

This is the biggest signing we have made since Klinsmann IMO. I think we have a few players who are close to world class or just about edging into that bracket. But for me this will be the stand out player on our books, the one world class player we can really boast about it with some conviction - if he settles and plays how we know he can.

At first read I want to think that you're overhyping it and getting carried away. But the more I think about it, I can't remember the last time we signed a genuinely major player of the World Cup, and a finalist at that.

[olly27]

At first read I want to think that you're overhyping it and getting carried away. But the more I think about it, I can't remember the last time we signed a genuinely major player of the World Cup, and a finalist at that.

Exactumondo....we havn't mate - simples :santaclaus:

[MarlowSpurs]

At first read I want to think that you're overhyping it and getting carried away. But the more I think about it, I can't remember the last time we signed a genuinely major player of the World Cup, and a finalist at that.

Ruel Fox, played for the Montserrat national team...fookin legend

[Gino Ginelli]

Ruel Fox, played for the Montserrat national team...fookin legend

Ok, ok. I mean't aside from the RW dynamo that was Ruel Fox, of course.

Didn't Ruel Fox cost us £4m? £4m!! Half a Van Der Vaart! In 1995!! The mind boggles...

[MarlowSpurs]

Ok, ok. I mean't aside from the RW dynamo that was Ruel Fox, of course.

Didn't Ruel Fox cost us £4m? £4m!! Half a Van Der Vaart! In 1995!! The mind boggles...

From wiki...god we have wasted some money in the past

He did, however, play four times for the Magpies the following season before signing for Tottenham Hotspur on 6 October 1995 in a deal worth £4.25million. He was Tottenham's second most expensively signed player at the time - second only to Chris Armstrong who had joined them for £4.5million a few months earlier.

[TURKISH]

I remember signing Modric and being over the moon, Dos Santo was a similiar feeling but this guy is streets ahead.

[Gino Ginelli]

From wiki...god we have wasted some money in the past

Chris Armstrong, christ on a bike... to think we turned down the opportunity to sign Bergkamp in favour of this "up and coming talent". I could smack Francis and Sugar purple.

[MarlowSpurs]

Chris Armstrong, christ on a bike... to think we turned down the opportunity to sign Bergkamp in favour of this "up and coming talent". I could smack Francis and Sugar purple.

That sir is what is commonly known as a Fvck Up

[deadleyledley]

i remember the dire time of Alton Thelwell.

atleast we didnt buy him.