Left Mid Problem & Defoe

[Chewy]

Ok, I'm sure everyone is sick to death of reading about our left mid-field problem and I'm sure everybody just hopes we sort it before the transfer deadline BUT if we don't why not play keane on the left?

If you watched the highlights of the Sheff United match, you could obviously see the creative skill that keane was playing with and the amount of accurate crosses and through balls. Play him on the left with berby and defoe up front as I think its un-religious to have as good a player as defoe on the bench!

Surely if Defoe sits on the bench until january, he will be thinking about handing in a transfer request to get more first team football to prevent his england career suffering.

Your thoughts?

Dave

[Spur]

I think it's worth ago. But then Jenas or Zokora or Davids won't be happy sitting on the bench. Teemu in my book should always be a definate starter.

[Keanoldinho]

Keane and Berbatov looked class upfront together so Defoe better get with the program soon or he'll get left behind. The more I see of Defoe the more he's starting to look like a luxury player and to play Keane out of position to accomadate him would be madness.

[choda]

to play Keane out of position to accomadate him would be madness.

Keane and Berbatov could form a truly lethal partnership. Defoe was bright and lively when he came on tonight. I'm happy enough with him when he's like that but it only seems to happen when he's been benched and wants to put on a 'show'. Next game he seems to be back to very little and unintelligent movement.

But even when he is lively I don't think he's a patch on Keane or Berb (from what I believe he's going to be). Keane and Berb in my opinion are both very intelligent players who both have good movement (one as a playmaker and poacher and the other as a target and a poacher), and great link up skills.

Of course they both also know how to score goals, and in fact both have fantastic records also at the highest level. Together I think they will be truly magic and form a partnership which will be feared up and down the land... maybe even in europe.

I really don't understand why a lot of people rate Defoe so highly. I honestly don't get it, he seems to me to be a quite limited footballer.

[singapore spur]

I really don't understand why a lot of people rate Defoe so highly. I honestly don't get it, he seems to me to be a quite limited footballer.


http://www.thfctalk.com/forum/images/buttons/report.gif (http://www.thfctalk.com/forum/report.php?p=18322) i think he is as quick , and with as good an eye for goal as anyone , and has from an early age . people have been talking and bigging him up from when he was at west ham , and his then scoring streak on loan at bournmouth . agasinst the less mobile and tactically aware defenders he was up against then he shone and had all the potential to be better than owen .
unfortunatly i think since he has stepped up in class he still has the same skill set but hasnt stepped up a gear in the mental department . he seems tactically naive (illustrated by the amount of offsides he gets into ) with maybe a slightly spoilt attitude that is stopping the improovement that everyone expected of him , turning him from a good succesful pro , into a memeber of that elite band of top notch strikers

[suBerb]

Keane and Berbatov could form a truly lethal partnership.


I'd add Lennon too. If we sign a top LW and a creative CM we'll be able to beat each team in the Premiership even away!

[Houdini logic]

In times of desperation, yeah, but I still think Keano sitting behind the front two can work.

Of course we need a LW(er) but the awesome ones want CL footie and the decent ones are stupidly priced out, so we'll have to wait and see.

[DonJolSpurano]

i wouldnt give keane a definite position to fill, just let him drift deep and do wot he does best. he can play across the park then and take up wider positions, maybe predominantly on the left with azza doing the same on the right.

[JJ]

Defoe was on for 10 minutes and immediately looked more likely to score than Robbie Keane. Defoe will create chances from nowhere (like his switching of feet on the edge of the box and quick shot to the bottom corner last night).
Keane will do great things with the ball and create fantastic chances, but Defoe is more of a goal scorer.

[JJ]

I'd add Lennon too. If we sign a top LW and a creative CM we'll be able to beat each team in the Premiership even away!

It's what i was saying before. There were a few times last season where a ball was flashed across goal with noone there to score it. Now we have Berby to tap in those goals.

We're going to score a ****load of those as Lennon is literally to quick to be caught on the outside.

[suBerb]

with Zokora and Defoe's good performances last night it will be difficult to choose the starting line-up vs Everton

[JJ]

with Zokora and Defoe's good performances last night it will be difficult to choose the starting line-up vs Everton

Very difficult indeed.

Both Zokora and Defoe were a cut above when they came on. But then Davids and Keane were fantastic as well.

Well, we could have worse decisions to have to make.

[Houdini logic]

Well, we could have worse decisions to have to make.

Hmm, like what toothpaste to buy..

[Chaydle]

A lot of people have been saying that we need some creation in midfield, Robbie could sit in the hole, like Rooney, to be our link man and provide that creation.
I'd still have the Berb and JD up front, it's flexible and fluid and a great attacking threat but the midfield could be more tricky to sort out it we play that system.

[Welsh Spur]

Right, listen up. I'm getting sick of the Keane v Defoe discussions as no-one but JJ seems to have the same opinion as me. Defoe and Keane, IMO, cannot be compared as they are completely different players.

Robbie Keane is the creative playmaker in our side. Yesterday his role was displayed perfectly, he loves to sit back in between midfield and the front man, picking up the ball, beating men and cutting open defences. What you'll notice with Keane is a lot of the time the goals he scores he made himself.

Jermain Defoe is the lightning paced front man. He gets behind defenders and his nimble footwork often creates a yard or two in which he will no doubt shoot. For such a small guy, he's got a ****ing cannon of a shot. He is no way as good as Keane at what Keane does, but he serves a different purpose.

I think if we could find a way to play these five attackers;
Lennon, Keane, Routledge, Defoe and Berbatov
in one formation then it should be given a shot. Who knows, Routledge could actually solve the left sided problem and Keane is the creative player we need. I propose this as my experimental formation.

------------------Robinson-------------------
---Lee------King-----------Dawson---Ekotto--
------------------Zokora---------------------
--Lennon-------------------------Routledge--
-------------------Keane--------------------
-------------Berbatov----Defoe--------------

It's hard because I want to accomodate Tainio, Jenas, Davids, Huddlestone, Davenport but I guess with all the competitions and opposition tactics and players will rotate anyway. But I think this is worth givin a shot to see if we can put 4 or 5 past someone using it.

[Spur]

If Keane did play left wing it would give him and Lennon the opportunity to cross over / move inside / do cartwheels / just about ****ing anything and they'd be doing it with Berba and JD in front of them. It's worth a shot in my opinion.

[mjbmedia]

Right, listen up. I'm getting sick of the Keane v Defoe discussions as no-one but JJ seems to have the same opinion as me. Defoe and Keane, IMO, cannot be compared as they are completely different players.


thing is bud they will be compared cos theyre going for the same starting slot , end of story.
i agree with you too , be great to have all 3 or even the 5 you mention but we need to win the ball for those three to do anything with it .
I hope Jol rotates them and plays defoe and keane together and rests Berby too

next game we gotta have the same starting 11 , you cant drop anyone after that first half (tho im not gettign carried away)

where can we rate the players from last nights game?? Neil??

[Welsh Spur]

Not to forget Keane and Defoe up front together; does anyone remember how they tore Charlton's defence to shreds last season? 3-1 win I believe it was....

[Welsh Spur]

thing is bud they will be compared cos theyre going for the same starting slot , end of story.
i agree with you too , be great to have all 3 or even the 5 you mention but we need to win the ball for those three to do anything with it .
I hope Jol rotates them and plays defoe and keane together and rests Berby too

next game we gotta have the same starting 11 , you cant drop anyone after that first half (tho im not gettign carried away)

where can we rate the players from last nights game?? Neil??
I reckon Zokora can do the 'dirty' job in midfield, last night he looked good, settled things down in the middle and distributed the ball very well. We need a player like this. I think it's feasible. definately. It's about having the balls to try it.

[mjbmedia]

Not to forget Keane and Defoe up front together; does anyone remember how they tore Charlton's defence to shreds last season? 3-1 win I believe it was....
yeh we do, Jol seems to have forgotten tho ;)

[spurs61]

Keane and Berbatov could form a truly lethal partnership. Defoe was bright and lively when he came on tonight. I'm happy enough with him when he's like that but it only seems to happen when he's been benched and wants to put on a 'show'. Next game he seems to be back to very little and unintelligent movement.

But even when he is lively I don't think he's a patch on Keane or Berb (from what I believe he's going to be). Keane and Berb in my opinion are both very intelligent players who both have good movement (one as a playmaker and poacher and the other as a target and a poacher), and great link up skills.

Of course they both also know how to score goals, and in fact both have fantastic records also at the highest level. Together I think they will be truly magic and form a partnership which will be feared up and down the land... maybe even in europe.

I really don't understand why a lot of people rate Defoe so highly. I honestly don't get it, he seems to me to be a quite limited footballer.


Totally agree with you there pal. How can we possibly leave Robbie out for Defoe? Keane is a pure and unadulterated genius and Defoe is just a goalscorer, I know what I'd rather have in my side.

[Spur]

'just a goalscorer'

That's a little harsh. He's a great goalscorer and a goalscorer of great goals.

[mjbmedia]

you know its easier to play and look great when the whole team around you is pretty fluid and playing pretty good quality stuff too.
on last nights performance no one should be dropped for saturday tho Arteta and Cahill will cause more problems in midfield and AJ will do likewise to our defence , but Evertons defence is old(ish) and slow and we gotta make them pay for that , id put Davids on Cahill , take him out the equation then AJ wont get much service

[Welsh Spur]

I don't rate Johnson at all. As long as the defence is as solid on Saturday as it was last night then all's we need is to make sure we create the openings, shouldn't be a problem with Lennon and Keane on this form!

[suBerb]

------------------Robinson-------------------
---Lee------King-----------Dawson---Ekotto--
------------------Zokora---------------------
--Lennon-------------------------Routledge--
-------------------Keane--------------------
-------------Berbatov----Defoe--------------


interesting but unrealistic team

1) it's too offensively build, such a team will not only score but also concede more goals
2) too many short players - Lee, Ekotto, Lennon, Routledge, Keane, Defoe - no chance to beat tough teams away, it's necesary to combine offensive with defensive, technical with physical abilities, at least so it seems to me mate

[Spur]

Don't call him 'mate' after you just slated his team back to front !?!

[suBerb]

Don't call him 'mate' after you just slated his team back to front !?!

Do my remarks seem offending? Don't think so. I like Welshie posts, though I disagree on some points. I called him 'mate' for I like his presense in the forum.

[Spur]

Why don't I get a 'mate' then ... (".)

[mjbmedia]

cos you aint worth £10m +

[suBerb]

Why don't I get a 'mate' then ... (".)

Isn't it clear mate? :D

[Welsh Spur]

interesting but unrealistic team

1) it's too offensively build, such a team will not only score but also concede more goals
2) too many short players - Lee, Ekotto, Lennon, Routledge, Keane, Defoe - no chance to beat tough teams away, it's necesary to combine offensive with defensive, technical with physical abilities, at least so it seems to me mate
I agree with your point about the lack of height in the team, I didn't really think about that. Being short doesn't make you unable to tackle though, and with the pace in that line-up, tracking back should be no problem. I think overall it may be a little too offensive though.

[suBerb]

I agree with your point about the lack of height in the team, I didn't really think about that. Being short doesn't make you unable to tackle though, and with the pace in that line-up, tracking back should be no problem. I think overall it may be a little too offensive though.

Actually, I would play your starting line-up home against more weak sides, the likes of Shef Un, Watford, etc. It would be interesting to see what will happen. Against stronger teams, however, I will drop Routledge, put Keane on the left and bring in a creative CM.

[whistler9027]

From the first minuite to the last minute v Sheff Utd we were comfortable...they are an ordinary side who i would imagine will b a handful at Brammall Lane but not on the road..Akinbyi is a championship striker and his limitations were shown last night...and againt the quailty passing and touch and movement we showed they were never in the game.

Berbatov is clearly quality...and Robbie Keane makes things happen,as for Defoe yeah he has ability..he is quick..good feet..etc etc..but he needs to start scoring regularly...thats what matters...is all that matters for a striker.

At the minute Id hav Keane in all the time with Berby..some of the things the highlights didnt show was the touches and movement between the two..even wen things didnt quite come off..we should have got 4 ..but ill take last night..it was good to see the boys playing some good stuff...only thing was i hope our fans are in better voice on saturday....Sheff Utd lot were on good form......

[SurreySpur]

Why does everyone think that defoe has real pace? He really isnt as quick as a lot of you think he is! Somebody actually called him lightening paced he's a long way from being that.

[shoot_ffs]

if the link with athletico and reyes is true, must meen petrov is on the way out. mmm

[suBerb]

if the link with athletico and reyes is true, must meen petrov is on the way out. mmm

Would you please give us the link?

[hodgy]

sorry about this but i think it's time to drop davids. although he is a work horse,there is no balance to the team. when he play's on the left he comes inside to much therefore taking the space of the two central midfielders. give ziegler a chance. need a right back b4 transfer window shuts. don't know who. surely someone from the stiffs could be an option

[Welsh Spur]

I don't agree with the right back comment. Lee can settle into the position.

[hodgy]

is he a natural right back?

[Welsh Spur]

Yeah, he played out of position all last season. He's plays his natural position, Right Back, for Korea.

[country cock]

sorry about this but i think it's time to drop davids. although he is a work horse,there is no balance to the team. when he play's on the left he comes inside to much therefore taking the space of the two central midfielders. give ziegler a chance. need a right back b4 transfer window shuts. don't know who. surely someone from the stiffs could be an option
Davids had one of his best games in a spurs shirt last night, and Tanio and Ekotto had a great game down the left, particually in the 1st half. Lee also had a good game in my opinion and should be given a chance at least untill January if it's not working out.

[olly27]

i dont think he's good enough..his positional sense is questionable and against physical sides he's limitations are exposed badly.

[olly27]

am talking about lee not davids by the way..

[RuFuS]

Surely if Defoe sits on the bench until january, he will be thinking about handing in a transfer request to get more first team football to prevent his england career suffering.

What england career ? A 17 yr old who's not played for his 1st team gets the nod before him. Defoe needs to bang them in regular 4 us and then worry about his england place.
Who would he go to ?. Scum 1 / 2, mancs or scousers ? If he wants 1st team football he's got to score or at least help the team to score.

[sundancer]

Think Defoe will score goals he had a poor game against Bolton ( who did not ) and he could have got two last night but for their keeper. Agree that we must keep Keane but like others on this post think we should play him behind the front two, put Jenas on the left and they can swop posistion when required.

[choda]

In my opinion the problem with playing the three strikers is this:

You have to move Keane from where he scored 16 goals in 20 starts, to a position where going on previous experiences he will be brilliant at times but mostly not so effective. He was brilliant last night and he was dropping particularly deep, but it was a tactical move to draw one of the 3 cb's out, not something that was natural to him. He played excellently, but he'd go missing a lot playing that position, we've seen it before.

Somebody said that we had nobody on the end of things last season... did you not see how many tap-ins and poacher goals Keano got last year?

As for comparing Keane and Defoe... they are very similar... it's just that Keane is a quality all round footballer. And Defoe doesn't run in behind, if he was running in behind consistantly we wouldn't be having this conversation. For a guy who is a very good finisher his movement is truly appalling. He's not going to make it as a proper player if that doesn't change, and it doesn't show any signs that it will.

Keane runs behind, he drops off, he poaches, he knows where to run and he's a nightmare to mark. He sells defenders a bit of movement goes the other way and creates a yard for himself or someone else in dangerous areas all the time. He has a goal record at the highest level playing internationally that I know for a fact Defoe could not live with. His record internationally is the same as Michael Owen.

They are to be compared positionally but as for ability, in my opinion, there is no comparison. To take one player out of a partnership that will be truly lethal to shift him out left or into a role that he's not suited to just to accomodate a player that can be marked out of a game (because he's not got a football brain) to me at least is total madness. And furthermore it will hurt us badly.

Keane has quickly turned all the potential into truly world class striker performances and we've just bought a guy who looks for all the world like the next world class prem striker. I'm hoping they get a chance to play together up top and link up like world class players can.

My view is that Defoe is a good player, no more no less and he is back up to these players. He's agile, fairly quick and he's got a great shot but good defenders don't give you space, you have to be intelligent with how you move off the ball and read the play.

Defoe hasn't got that, and defenders are waking up to more and more to it knowing that if they just stop him getting shots in he's not that good. And the higher up you go the more you need to have a good football brain to get space. When he plays for England he looks even less effective.

That's how I see it at least.

[choda]

I think if we could find a way to play these five attackers;
Lennon, Keane, Routledge, Defoe and Berbatov
in one formation then it should be given a shot. Who knows, Routledge could actually solve the left sided problem and Keane is the creative player we need. I propose this as my experimental formation.

------------------Robinson-------------------
---Lee------King-----------Dawson---Ekotto--
------------------Zokora---------------------
--Lennon-------------------------Routledge--
-------------------Keane--------------------
-------------Berbatov----Defoe--------------

It's hard because I want to accomodate Tainio, Jenas, Davids, Huddlestone, Davenport but I guess with all the competitions and opposition tactics and players will rotate anyway. But I think this is worth givin a shot to see if we can put 4 or 5 past someone using it.

I know you only proposed this as an experiment Welshie but my view is that that team would get done badly.

Just talking strictly formations, you're playing a diamond there and if somebody is playing in the hole the two wide men get naturally dragged in to the centre. Neither of those two guys are made for the engine room, and I think it is one ball winner short aswell. We'd be overun in midfield, something the Jolster is particularly wary of.

I think the most attacking you can be is to have two strikers, two wingers, and a central midfielder who is both creative and puts his foot in (guys like Scholesie, Fabregras or Murphy would be my examples). Or you could play attacking wing backs and a central playmaker behind two strikers. I think any more attacking than that and you are in 4-3 Ossie Ardiles territory and headed for mid table.

[jrio]

interesting but unrealistic team

1) it's too offensively build, such a team will not only score but also concede more goals
2) too many short players - Lee, Ekotto, Lennon, Routledge, Keane, Defoe - no chance to beat tough teams away, it's necesary to combine offensive with defensive, technical with physical abilities, at least so it seems to me mate

Common misconception - Keane isn't short he's 5'10", 2 inches above average male height.

[Keanoldinho]

Common misconception - Keane isn't short he's 5'10", 2 inches above average male height.


mate the average male height isn't 5'8" that's the average female height

[choda]

5 8 is not the average female height. I think it is 5 4 or something like that. Look around you mate, 5 8 is a fairly tall women.

[jrio]

The Indie is saying today that "Tottenham Hotspur will step up their attempt to sign Middlesbrough's left winger Stewart Downing for around £8m by the end of the transfer window, having received encouragement that the player is ready to make the move." Interestingly it is claimed they are taking a more relaxed view due to having Adam Johnson as a replacement, who I recall we also tried to sign last season for about £1m. I can only see Downing pressurising for a move to alter Boro's stance and the fee being closer to £10m. Also "Jol is still in the market for a right-back and a striker". Encouraging that activity is still focusing on these areas before the deadline as rumours had significantly decreased.

[Keanoldinho]

5 8 is not the average female height. I think it is 5 4 or something like that. Look around you mate, 5 8 is a fairly tall women.


I live in the USA and over here the average male height is 6 foot and for females it's 5'8". I guess all the sunshine makes them grow taller:D

[jrio]

I live in the USA and over here the average male height is 6 foot and for females it's 5'8". I guess all the sunshine makes them grow taller:D

According to the National Center for Health Statistics, the average height for an adult male and an adult female in the United States is 5 feet 9.2 inches and 5 feet 3.8 inches respectively.

[Thfc4Life]

I live in the USA and over here the average male height is 6 foot and for females it's 5'8". I guess all the sunshine makes them grow taller:D

I very much doubt that mate!

[Keanoldinho]

well there statistics are wrong

[Thfc4Life]

well there statistics are wrong

Obviously!!! :rolleyes:

[choda]

well there statistics are wrong

Do you go around measuring people then?:)

[Keanoldinho]

OK enough of this I could really care less but I'm 5'10" and most of my mates are taller than me.

[choda]

If your into football and sports you probably are mates with a lot of athletic people who in general are a few inches taller than normal.

I'm 5 10 too and nearly all of my friends are a similar or taller height.

[Keanoldinho]

If you into football and sports you probably are mates with a lot of athletic people who in general are a few inches taller than normal.

I'm 5 10 too and nearly all of my friends are a similar or taller height.

all my mates are weed heads and alcoholics:D

[choda]

Maybe they're just unusually tall.

I'm 25 and I'm still growing, which is weird. I've grown two inches since I was twenty one slowly to 5 10. I measured it a lot because I was convinced that I was still getting taller. I've heard of some people growing until their 28.

So maybe there's hope for Defoe, Lee and Lennon! Not that it really matters at all to Lennon, he's a vinger. He's got so much pace he'd never be used for defending set pieces anyway.

Incidently I've always said that Defoe would get on much better if he was a big lad, because target men don't have to have great movement, though of course it is a huge bonus. If he was big he'd be like Jimmy Floyd in his prime.

[suBerb]

As for comparing Keane and Defoe... they are very similar... it's just that Keane is a quality all round footballer. And Defoe doesn't run in behind, if he was running in behind consistantly we wouldn't be having this conversation. For a guy who is a very good finisher his movement is truly appalling. He's not going to make it as a proper player if that doesn't change, and it doesn't show any signs that it will.

as usual a very good comment by Choda

I agree that Keane is the better player, mainly because he moves and reads the game better. Still, Keane is 2 years older than Defoe. Was Keane 2 years ago better than is Defoe by now? I'm not sure but Keane seems to be the more intelligent player and capable of linking up better with Berbie. By my lights, Choda is quite right that Defoe's movement is not good enough. Yet Defoe has abilities that Berbie and Keane lack, e.g. quick runs and shots. It's good that we have Defoe, no doubt.

[choda]

as usual a very good comment by Choda

I agree that Keane is the better player, mainly because he moves and reads the game better. Still, Keane is 2 years older than Defoe. Was Keane 2 years ago better than is Defoe by now? I'm not sure but Keane seems to be the more intelligent player and capable of linking up better with Berbie. By my lights, Choda is quite right that Defoe's movement is not good enough. Yet Defoe has abilities that Berbie and Keane lack, e.g. quick runs and shots. It's good that we have Defoe, no doubt.

I would say still much better, Keane's always been very intelligent on the pitch. He wasn't reaching his potential though, and you wouldn't believe some of the stick he used to get in Ireland.

I've always thought that he just needed a top manager working with him day in day out to develop his game a bit and focus all the raw talent into really delivering serious performances.

The last time he had that was back aged 19 with Coventry where he looked so good Inter paid 13 million for him. Unfortunetely he was still developing then and it wasn't a good move in hindsight. First off Lippi bought him, said he'd be a superstar and then promptly got sacked.

He lost the special attention he was going to get, because without Lippi singling him out he was just a young face in a side with Vieri, Ronaldo, Recoba etc. and was down the pecking order. He wasn't getting any game time or proper development.

And after that in my opinion he was an underdeveloped world class talent, still showing all the potential, brightness, flashes of magic, and scoring goals, but he was still a raw talent. He was still a bit loose. He wasn't world class.

Now, under Jol he is finally developing into a world class striker. It is absolutely great to watch this finally happen and it is massive for our club. He's scoring more goals and his creativity and movement can destroy teams.

The thing with Defoe is I don't think the football brain is there to begin with. Keane always read the game well, was creative and was very bright with his movement. He just needed to tidy up the loose ends of his game and use his abilities more effectively. Just to mature as a player basically.

I don't know if it is possible for Defoe to become world class or even close. I hope I'm wrong.

[suBerb]

I would say still much better, Keane's always been very intelligent on the pitch. He wasn't reaching his potential though, and you wouldn't believe some of the stick he used to get in Ireland.


I rate Robbie very highly. This is why I wrote several times already that he reminds me of Hristo Stoichkov. You are young, Choda, and I suppose that you didn't watch my countryman Stoichkov - a unique mixture of creativity and aggressivity, the big star of Cruyff's dream team from the 90-ies (this is the team that played the most beautiful football in the history of European club tournaments) and arguably the most loved player in Barcelona for the last 30 years or so. Jea, Cruyff, Maradona, and Ronaldo were better footballers but Stoichkov played football so passionately and scored so many important goals that Barca fans idolize him beyond usual limits. I hope that Keano will be for Spurs what Stoichkov was for Barca - a paradigmatic winner.

[choda]

Oh no I did. My memory is hazy but I do remember he was a fabulous footballer, magic. A huge personality as you say.

He always was one of the stand out players at the world cups. So recognisable and such a good player.

[suBerb]

I'll give you an example. Barca won 4 titles in row, the last 3 of them on the very last day of La Liga. In these 3 games that brought to Barca 3 titles in Spain, Stoichkov scored 5 goals and made 3 assists. Magic.

As a matter of fact Berb is even more talented footballer, but mentally is different. If Berb would have 50% of Hristo's aggressivity, he would be the best centre forward in the world right now. Since, however, he's a highly intelligent player and gets each year better and better, I hope that he'll be able to make with Keano and Lennon fantastic things for Spurs.

[DonJolSpurano]

the good thing about having berby is that we now have that penalty area predator who'll score the type of goals he scored the other night.

this means we are now going to get the best out of keane and he can truly develop into the player many have suspected since he made that move from wolves to coventry.

keane isnt really a box predator but did well last season by gambling a few times and getting to the back post for a few taps in. about 5 or 6 of his goals where like this. however, defoe doesnt do this.

now keane doesnt have to do this as often due to berbys presence and can play deeper and be the 'hole' playmaker that could really unlock teams as we saw on tuesday.

this partnership makes me cream.

[suBerb]

the good thing about having berby is that we now have that penalty area predator who'll score the type of goals he scored the other night.



the good thing about having berby is that he can make all sorts of goals - poachers, headers, with both legs, from inside and outside the penalty box, and, most importantly, masterpieces - by beating 2-3 defenders and making them look ridiculous.

the bad thing is that he, by strong contrast to Stoichkov, often misses sitters. Still he scores many goals. I reckon that if he gets no injury, he'll score 20 this season