Germany v Argentina

[Antilokhos]

I'm sure most of you aren't amused by this game or outcome at all, but I'm just curious, am I still going to get shit on for wanting to bring Podolski, Schweinsteiger, and other Germans to Spurs?

[Elthamspur]

I'm sure most of you aren't amused by this game or outcome at all, but I'm just curious, am I still going to get shit on for wanting to bring Podolski, Schweinsteiger, and other Germans to Spurs?

Not from me you're not. They are a class act, are very organised and look likely to win the world cup now! I gotta say, I hope they don't win it but I'm think they will. I'm drinking in a German pub Monday, been planned for months, wanted to blow it out after the England game but guess I will still go just for their beer.

Also re your post, I don't remember many complaints when Klinsman came! I'd take Schweinsteiger first out of their team

[MarlowSpurs]

Argies got an arse whooping

[TURKISH]

Nope I'm a fan of them and I wanted the winner of this game to go on and win the WC.

[peterc]

For those of you who thought that Capello is a joke, so what is Maradona now?. A clown. Germany are a well underestimated team that know how to exploit the weaknesses of their opposing teams.

[TURKISH]

For those of you who thought that Capello is a joke, so what is Maradona now?. A clown. Germany are a well underestimated team that know how to exploit the weaknesses of their opposing teams.

Don't let Germany's success hide our weaknesses, we were a pub side against them and we haven't performed for years. It wasn't a one off game or performance, we have been poor for years.

Maradona is not a manager, no one felt they were a complete balanced side.

[peterc]

Don't let Germany's success hide our weaknesses, we were a pub side against them and we haven't performed for years. It wasn't a one off game or performance, we have been poor for years.

Maradona is not a manager, no one felt they were a complete balanced side.

End of the day, Whether England or Argentina played well or not, they got well beaten by a well organised and discilpined team that knew their opponents weaknesses. Turkish, do you decide who is a manager and who ain't?, LOL, you do come out with some classics sometimes. I think that although Maradona is not an experienced manager, he still performed quite well and he also managed to progress into the world cup quater finals after a very weak start in the qualifiers. He also got the respect from all his players.

[TURKISH]

End of the day, Whether England or Argentina played well or not, they got well beaten by a well organised and discilpined team that knew their opponents weaknesses. Turkish, do you decide who is a manager and who ain't?, LOL, you do come out with some classics sometimes. I think that although Maradona is not an experienced manager, he still performed quite well and he also managed to progress into the world cup quater finals after a very weak start in the qualifiers. He also got the respect from all his players.

His reputation got the respect from the players because he is a god in Argentina. I think I'm right in saying this is his first job as manager and I don't think he has any badges.

I don't think many would argue that Maradona is a manager, just a good motivator would great players around him. They under performed in the qualifiers and under performed in the WC.

I think we all come out with "classics" pal, no one is perfect on this site and it all about opinions and debate.

[peterc]

[QUOTE=TURKISH;185571]His reputation got the respect from the players because he is a god in Argentina. I think I'm right in saying this is his first job as manager and I don't think he has any badges.

I did say he is an inexperienced manager but also had all the respect from his players, due to his name and also his passion for the game.

I don't think many would argue that Maradona is a manager, just a good motivator would great players around him. They under performed in the qualifiers and under performed in the WC.

Isn't part of a manager's job to motivate the players?. I tend to disagree that they under performed in the world cup, Germany are a good team and many of us have underestimated how well they can perform.

I think we all come out with "classics" pal, no one is perfect on this site and it all about opinions and debate.

We sure do, and a forum would be very dull without them.

[Shelfside]

Around a decade ago,German international football was in the doldrums and it was widely considered,even in Germany,that a massive overhaul was needed.
The last decade has been considered the era that contained the worst German sides for 50 years.Yet they still reached the WC Final in 2002,the semi final in 2006,the final of the Euro championships in 2008 and now have at least a semi final in this years World Cup.
Whatever they did in Germany,from grass roots level upwards,to bring their football back up to the standard required,is something that we have to copy.Germany is the standard that we must be aiming for.The display against England was mightily impressive but the destruction of Argentina was simply one the best World Cup performances ever.It was an absolute masterclass in teamwork,passing and movement and counter attacking.The way that Messi and co were totally stifled was also superb.
As galling as it may be to some,we need to send some FA reps to their German counterparts and go on a fact finding mission and reorganise ourselves to their level.

[Antilokhos]

Around a decade ago,German international football was in the doldrums and it was widely considered,even in Germany,that a massive overhaul was needed.
The last decade has been considered the era that contained the worst German sides for 50 years.Yet they still reached the WC Final in 2002,the semi final in 2006,the final of the Euro championships in 2008 and now have at least a semi final in this years World Cup.
Whatever they did in Germany,from grass roots level upwards,to bring their football back up to the standard required,is something that we have to copy.Germany is the standard that we must be aiming for.The display against England was mightily impressive but the destruction of Argentina was simply one the best World Cup performances ever.It was an absolute masterclass in teamwork,passing and movement and counter attacking.The way that Messi and co were totally stifled was also superb.
As galling as it may be to some,we need to send some FA reps to their German counterparts and go on a fact finding mission and reorganise ourselves to their level.
I've read a couple of articles on this, wish I could find them, but what the Germans did was get all their clubs together and standardize the youth training. They got everybody to play a fast passing, technically heavy German style. Then as the youth teams came together, they were all on the same page and didn't have to adjust to each other playing in a different manner. They emphasized the mental and physical ability to play fast, unselfish football throughout the youth system. Not sure such an approach would go over too well in England given the love of long ball.

[malc123]

One of the biggest problems in this country is the club before country attitude in Premiership Managers, players and fans including me. Am I prepared for say Defoe to be rested during the season for England to have a better chance at the World Cup-No Am I prepared for say Bostock to play say 10 matches in the premiership this season to improve his chances of being a top England player in 4 years time-Not unless he justifies it from match 1. I bet most of you agree but until this attitude changes or they reduce the number of fixtures or number of Foreign players allowed nothing will change. Torres is not English but is as Knacked as the rest.

[TURKISH]

Ther germans use players who wasn't born in Germany, Arteta anyone?:001_rolleyes:

[hastingsyid]

fvck the germans,the dutch will win it anyways

[TURKISH]

Just watched Gazza's tears on itv, and in the end it was Turkish tears in the living room.:laugh:

That 1990 squad was special, real working class men who would die for the shirt. With the special Bobby Robson as gaffer.


:crying::crying::crying::crying::crying::crying:

[Rojoknapp]

I would take Ozil (who is barely German anyway) Lahm and Schweinsteiger from that team. Klose and Podolski have been appaling for their clubs, so many of that team seem to work in the opposite way to English players - fantastic for their country but not so great for their clubs. I'd be way of taking one or two of those players off the back of a great team performance.

[Gino Ginelli]

I think there was a great article posted on here a while back regarding the German FA and their approach to the Bundesliga and the National side. All about how the league is run fairly for fans, teams and youth policies and they all unify together for the good of the country. Because it's so well run it attracts greater attention and is something like the most watched league in Europe (possibly second behind the Prem, not too sure).

Obviously here all the big teams aren't even owned by the same nationalities and it's all about business and not one intention of benefiting the national game. As such there's no unified goal of the nation as a whole becoming a footballing power. I think a great deal can be learnt from the Germans.

As for the game, well it's quite frightening to see an Argentinian side that I quite fancied to get torn apart like that. Germany are predictably my favourites now, I think they'll do the same to Spain (who have had an easy ride so far if you ask me) and then a repeat of '74 in the final, with Klose breaking Ronaldo's record. Incredible.

And I would totally take Bastian Schweinsteiger for Spurs, he's awesome. Started as a winger but is fast becoming this generations Lothar Matthaus or Michael Ballack. Fantastic midfielder.

[TURKISH]

I think there was a great article posted on here a while back regarding the German FA and their approach to the Bundesliga and the National side. All about how the league is run fairly for fans, teams and youth policies and they all unify together for the good of the country. Because it's so well run it attracts greater attention and is something like the most watched league in Europe (possibly second behind the Prem, not too sure).

Obviously here all the big teams aren't even owned by the same nationalities and it's all about business and not one intention of benefiting the national game. As such there's no unified goal of the nation as a whole becoming a footballing power. I think a great deal can be learnt from the Germans.

As for the game, well it's quite frightening to see an Argentinian side that I quite fancied to get torn apart like that. Germany are predictably my favourites now, I think they'll do the same to Spain (who have had an easy ride so far if you ask me) and then a repeat of '74 in the final, with Klose breaking Ronaldo's record. Incredible.

And I would totally take Bastian Schweinsteiger for Spurs, he's awesome. Started as a winger but is fast becoming this generations Lothar Matthaus or Michael Ballack. Fantastic midfielder.

He was top draw, what a player.

A question for everyone, would Germany be this successful in the tournament if Ballack was playing? I think not.

[Gino Ginelli]

He was top draw, what a player.

A question for everyone, would Germany be this successful in the tournament if Ballack was playing? I think not.

Course they would, because while Sami Khedira has been good, he was a last minute replacement for Ballack. And say what you like about him, Ballack is much more tremendous than Khedira. I think if you added Ballack then the team becomes even more formidable.

[TURKISH]

Course they would, because while Sami Khedira has been good, he was a last minute replacement for Ballack. And say what you like about him, Ballack is much more tremendous than Khedira. I think if you added Ballack then the team becomes even more formidable.

But isn't Khedira more defensive than Ballack? He adds balance to the side and allows Schweinsteiger to get forward. If Ballack plays you then have three attacking midfielders all in the middle.

[Antilokhos]

I think it really depends on if they would have tried to slow the game down to meet Ballack's diminshed pace. If Ballack would have been content to sit back and perform a playmaker role and pull the strings, I think they'd be even better. If Ballack tried to run the show, I think they'd be playing at a slower pace and less effective.

In Germany Ballack was routinely criticized for being too passive, not enough of an individual leader. Some attributed this to him growing up in what was East Germany, making him more of a conformist. But that would have boded well for him being able to adapt. I think the squad could have used his experience, eventually they will face some real adversity, and having a player like Ballack could help there. But they still have Klose and Lahm who have been around the block a time or two.

What is scary is just how young this team is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_national_football_team#Current_squad

Europe could be on the verge of German domination for the next few tournaments, although they will need to develop another out and out striker who is as productive as Klose is in their system.

[TURKISH]

As a football fan I want Germany to win the WC.