Roy Keane on England

[TURKISH]

Gotta love his blunt no nonsense attitude :laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWShjpiX8lc&feature=player_embedded

[olly27]

He's spot on as well.

Keep saying it the manager isn't the core root of the problem.

The media pump are heads full of shit half the time.

To be fair though the only player who has performed on the really big occassion is Steven Gerrard in the CL final.

[KevSpur]

Olly, the manager has to take the brunt of the blame.
Who else thinks Upson is better than Dawson ?
A clearly unfit Barry is better than Parker ?
Heskey will get goals and Crouch won't ?
Rooney and Lampard were playing so well they couldn't be dropped ?
Making like for like substitutions would change plan A, when plan A clearly wasn't working ?

Capello has made a complete pigs ear of every decision he's made at this WC.
Name one thing that actually worked ?

[olly27]

Olly, the manager has to take the brunt of the blame.
Who else thinks Upson is better than Dawson ?
A clearly unfit Barry is better than Parker ?
Heskey will get goals and Crouch won't ?
Rooney and Lampard were playing so well they couldn't be dropped ?
Making like for like substitutions would change plan A, when plan A clearly wasn't working ?

Capello has made a complete pigs ear of every decision he's made at this WC.
Name one thing that actually worked ?

Kev calm down mate! Yes the buck stops with him and I hardly agreed with anything he did but that said we aint good enough. Collectively as a team we are not good enough and everybody involved is responsible. That includes the FA, the players and of course the manager.

It wouldn't of mattered who was playing yesterday and in what formation, playing like that you just cant account for.

All I am saying is that another manager might of done marginally better through making better decisions but at this level we are not good enough to go all the way due to the fundamental problems that continue to exist.

Its no coincidence that manager after manager cant get the best out of his resources and the minute we stop heaping all the blame on the manager the sooner we can wake up and smell the coffee and realise that changes right through out English football need to happen.

Collectively responsibility has to be taken, and to reiterate that includes the manager, the players and the FA. The English National team as an organisation is failing and that just cant be the Managers fault time after time after time.

The problem is much deeper and ingrained.

[KevSpur]

Olly, I agree that there are many, many problems with English football, starting at the top with the FA, going right down to lack of technical ability within the English game.
However, having a buffoon as manager don't help!

[olly27]

Olly, I agree that there are many, many problems with English football, starting at the top with the FA, going right down to lack of technical ability within the English game.
However, having a buffoon as manager don't help!

lol...I must admit for a manager of Capello's pedigree, at Club level anyway, I was absolutely amazed at some of the bizzare decisions he made leading up to the WC and particularly during it.

[Rojoknapp]

He's right about a few of them not being in good form. Still a c*nt though.

[olly27]

Although Roy slightly contradicts himself if you think about. He lists several players who had pretty indifferent or bad seasons but totally endorses Capello as a fantastic manager. Not being funny or anything but if those 7 or 8 players who had bad seasons - why did such a great manager select them?

Now I know the obvious answer is because we dont have much better, but really we kind of couldn't of done much worse with giving a few younger prospects a chance like...Adam Johnson etc and I would of taken Hudd, at least he can flipping pass.

For somebody who said he would pick form players, he really kind of didn't.

I am convinced he took SWP on the basis of that cameo against Japan - unbelievable really.

Adam Johnson displaced SWP at City - its really hard ro fathom how he took the latter.

[Rojoknapp]

Not taking Johnson was absurd. SWP must be one of the most ineffective wingers on the planet. And the likes of Barry and Carrick over Parker and Huddlestone. And picking Upson and Heskey over Dawson and Crouch. This stuff isn't just hindsight, it's obvious stuff, decisions that we all knew should have been made before we saw a ball kicked.

[KevSpur]

It made me laugh at yesterday's press conference when he blamed the PL for making the players too tired.
Yep, spot on again Fabio, Tevez looks absolutely knackered for Argentina don't he ?

[TURKISH]

Not taking Johnson was absurd. SWP must be one of the most ineffective wingers on the planet. And the likes of Barry and Carrick over Parker and Huddlestone. And picking Upson and Heskey over Dawson and Crouch. This stuff isn't just hindsight, it's obvious stuff, decisions that we all knew should have been made before we saw a ball kicked.

Especially when you think Johnson had taken SWP place at Man City. Heskey wasn't even playing for villa, 3 goals did he get for them last year? Upson lead one of the worst defences last year.

I thought Capello was gonna pick players on form?:001_rolleyes:

[MarlowSpurs]

I thought Capello was gonna pick players on form?:001_rolleyes:

He did but it was on sexual form not footy:ahhhhh::ahhhhh::ahhhhh:

[olly27]

If you had been picking form players the team would of looked more like this:

Hart

Johnson
Dawson
King
A Cole

Lennon
Parker
Huddlestone
Milner

Zamora
Bent


Ok you would argue that Lampard was in form with 20 odd goals from midfield and Rooney had an amazing season, but some of those players above should of been playing and at least taken in the 23 man squad, bar maybe Zamora who was injured I think.

[TURKISH]

If you had been picking form players the team would of looked more like this:

Hart

Johnson
Dawson
King
A Cole

Lennon
Parker
Huddlestone
Milner

Zamora
Bent


Ok you would argue that Lampard was in form with 20 odd goals from midfield and Rooney had an amazing season, but some of those players above should of been playing and at least taken in the 23 man squad, bar maybe Zamora who was injured I think.

I slightly disagree on that team I think Gary Neville has been in better form, albeit he doesn't play as many games as Johnson.

[olly27]

I slightly disagree on that team I think Gary Neville has been in better form, albeit he doesn't play as many games as Johnson.

Yeah its not team I would of picked mate no way, but some of those players should of gone.

Parker, Huddlestone and Bent for absolute sure should of at least been in the 23 man squad.

[TURKISH]

Yeah its not team I would of picked mate no way, but some of those players should of gone.

Parker, Huddlestone and Bent for absolute sure should of at least been in the 23 man squad.

Bent scored twenty something goals so he should have went, but I do believe he is the Andy Cole of this generation.

[olly27]

Bent scored twenty something goals so he should have went, but I do believe he is the Andy Cole of this generation.

Bent is a limited outside the box to an extent, but his goal scoring record was too good to ignore, and a lot of those goals came against Arsenal, Chelsea, Pool etc...

Heskey having only scored 3 goals as a striker is not good enough and I dont care who he is meant to bring the best out of.

[TURKISH]

Bent is a limited outside the box to an extent, but his goal scoring record was too good to ignore, and a lot of those goals came against Arsenal, Chelsea, Pool etc...

Heskey having only scored 3 goals as a striker is not good enough and I dont care who he is meant to bring the best out of.

But who brings the best out of Heskey?:001_rolleyes: Its just one big myth apparently Heskey brings the best out of Rooney but then they say Rooney likes playing upfront on his tod.

All Heskey does is put more pressure on his partner to score goals, he is useless.

[olly27]

But who brings the best out of Heskey?:001_rolleyes: Its just one big myth apparently Heskey brings the best out of Rooney but then they say Rooney likes playing upfront on his tod.

All Heskey does is put more pressure on his partner to score goals, he is useless.

It worked against smaller opponents in qualifying but so what. Capello was far too stubborn and wouldn't change it when it clearly wasn't working.

Yeah Heskey just puts more pressure on his partner to score.

I hate the expression that its back to the drawing board...feck that, rip it all up and get rid of most of these lot and bring in young blood who really do want to play for England.

I sighed when I read Lampard saying he wants to continue on playing for England. Let the young ones in Frank, step aside as you wont feature in the next WC anyway, he would be 36.

We need to start building now and if Lampard is anywhere near out central midfield for the next WC it would be a joke.

Nothing personal against Lampard, but given his age and the extremely important position he plays he would be my first choice to get rid of, followed by Gareth Barry.

Those two would be first I would axe from England.

[Gino Ginelli]

Roy Keane's a cvnt. He's correct, but he's still a cvnt :001_rolleyes: