Rate the Players vs Bolton Wanderers

[Neil_Vaughan]

http://tottenhamhotspur.rivals.net/default.asp?sid=897&p=2&stid=8420091

[Keanoldinho]

everyone gets a 6 and Davids gets a 7

[Welsh Spur]

Why the hell is Berbatov on a 2 point rating? That's bullshit!

[Keanoldinho]

davids 7 bludy 7 he played apsolutely shit


to each his own

in my eyes he was the only one out there who looked like he wanted to win

[Spur]

We shouldn't be allowed to rate the players from todays game because that would mean we had a best player on the pitch. For the whole game the only person to show any passion, drive, commitment and will was Robbie Keane. Everyone else looked like they couldn't give a toss.

To be fair, Davids was involved a lot today, he was all over the place. Pity he done **** all to help us out though. The only decent thing I can think that he done was do Nicky Hunt with his studs.

Lennon never got enough of the ball, neither did Defoe. Berba did a few nice things but nothing came from them. Benny and Didier did ok, not sure why Didier came off when Davids and especially Jermaine Jenas did **** all. Jenas had a ****ing shocker. Davenport looked shaky, Dawson didn't seem upto his normal, Lee didn't do much at all. The Hudd had no impact.

Long balls didn't work because of the surface and the fact Bolton are very physical. It was obvious where our weak point was - having no left winger - from the very beginning, as two times the ball was cleared from their box to a position a left winger would take up.

Not happy.

Cracking goal though.

Ref was shit.

[Keanoldinho]

We shouldn't be allowed to rate the players from todays game because that would mean we had a best player on the pitch. For the whole game the only person to show any passion, drive, commitment and will was Robbie Keane. Everyone else looked like they couldn't give a toss.

To be fair, Davids was involved a lot today, he was all over the place. Pity he done **** all to help us out though. The only decent thing I can think that he done was do Nicky Hunt with his studs.

Lennon never got enough of the ball, neither did Defoe. Berba did a few nice things but nothing came from them. Benny and Didier did ok, not sure why Didier came off when Davids and especially Jermaine Jenas did **** all. Jenas had a ****ing shocker. Davenport looked shaky, Dawson didn't seem upto his normal, Lee didn't do much at all. The Hudd had no impact.

Long balls didn't work because of the surface and the fact Bolton are very physical. It was obvious where our weak point was - having no left winger - from the very beginning, as two times the ball was cleared from their box to a position a left winger would take up.

Not happy.

Cracking goal though.

Ref was shit.



it's hard to pick out a good pass when everyone is standing there watching you instead of trying to get open and find space

[choda]

davids 7 bludy 7 he played apsolutely shit

WHAT THE **** WOULD YOU KNOW, YOU ****. IF I EVER MEET YOU I'M GOING TO BUST YOUR HEAD OPEN WITH A CROWBAR.

I WAS PISSED AFTER THE GAME AND THEN I CAME ON HERE SAW YOU AND YOUR STUPID REMARK. I'D LOVE TO RIP YOUR ****ING HEAD OFF!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Spur]

I agree we looked extremely lazy and disinterested. But he still didn't use the ball, just had a lot of it. That is if we are talking about Edgar...?

[Welsh Spur]

WHAT THE **** WOULD YOU KNOW, YOU ****. IF I EVER MEET YOU I'M GOING TO BUST YOUR HEAD OPEN WITH A CROWBAR.

I WAS PISSED AFTER THE GAME AND THEN I CAME ON HERE SAW YOU AND YOUR STUPID REMARK. I'D LOVE TO RIP YOUR ****ING HEAD OFF!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
I'm trying to hold back, as nothing seems to get through to this prick, but hey....I agree with this comment entirely. Abdoulaye Meite is a cheating c*nt!

[denis-cro]

What is the problem with english refs???? P Dowd is an uter idiot, like G. Poll.:)
I would not blame the players today ( even they played without passion), but Martin Jol´s starting line-up. Are we playing 4-4-2 or 4-3-2-1, or what ??? What was E. Davids role today in Jol´s head??? Left winger, defensive midfilder??? What about Lee?? Right full back ??? Even he is a right footer,he play all his life as a left full back:rolleyes: LET ME EXPLAIN!!! What is the purpose of pre-season frendly games??? That question should someone ask M. Jol. , cause we won 7/8, with Ghali played particulary well in some of those matches. Routledge played some matches, even started as a right full back vs Birmingham, and did very well... I did not saw them playing today:confused: i think that Jenas is totaly formless,Davids confused with his role and that Ghali and Routledge can give much more than some players curently... I hope Jol will change something vs Sheff. utd, cause otherwise :o

[neilmcnab]

look dont no how many of u guys actually study the game, choda, keanaldiho, and welsh. i notice have good idea of the game..davids was holding with zokora, that means jenas was suppose to play in space infront, he was too paralell with davids and zoko, then young lenon had to drop too ,when tianio plays there watch how he drops in that space between centre circle and penalty box, today bolton controled that space and dictated play,
defoe need to drp short and play his strengths turns and short passes, then move on to last 3rd and create shooting oportunities

[Spur]

Davids was playing out on the left, he did it last season due to Lee spending more time in the opps box than his own. This year there is no need for him to play there as we have a real left back. Jenas just didn't do anything today. No running, no passing, no shooting, nothing good. Nothing constructive. Just a waste of space.

Lennon had the license to roam but perhaps didn't use it well, or was marked so well he couldn't produce. Personally I think he is a winger, a born winger, a player who should hug the line and never leave - even to defend.

[laspur]

Can it be any worse? I mean as a whole the team looked confused and short on ideas. I like everyone else am dissappointed, however lets see how tuesday goes before we talk a lot of s h it.

[JM_]

This is the ****ing slapping in the face the team needs, we don't win teams like Bolton (or any other team) on what the papers write (us being favourites) I'm going to have to agree with Keanoldinho about Davids. He was the only one, along with Zokora (didn't understand the sub, should have been Jenas) at times, who stood up to Bolton. He tried to drive the team on, but everyone was still away on pre-season training. Hate to see Robinson let such a simple goal slip in (yeah it deflected, but 20m out) He looked shaky at times, but he made some nice close-range saves though.

And the first goal was...a gift from the ref.

But the left side is THE problem. If Jol doesn't trust in Ziegler, he should splash the cash and buy anyone who plays the ball with his left foot and runs 100m in 10.30, because this game shows how desperate we will become/are to have a real LM. And how many times we tried to play the ball on the left side, where Benny should have needed to cover the whole side alone, as Davids often drifted inside to compensate for Jenas' nightmare display, that's crazy!

As for the two strikers I guess they did what they could without any good balls from the midfield. Keano was the one that gave us some reason to get our hopes up with the beautiful through-ball to Berba. Was surprised with the way Defoe moved, trying to pick up the ball from midfield and moving a lot. Berbatov had a few moments of good movement, but not good enough.

I was also disappoited with the useless longballs from Dawson and Davenport.

Hopefully BMJ will give the players a teamtalk they will remeber the rest of the season! And I think we will see Tainio insted of Davids against the Baldes, and hopefully Ghaly/Murphy for Jenas so he can get in shape.

[SharX]

I would not blame the players today ( even they played without passion), but Martin Jol´s starting line-up. Are we playing 4-4-2 or 4-3-2-1, or what ??? What was E. Davids role today in Jol´s head??? Left winger, defensive midfilder??? What about Lee?? Right full back ??? Even he is a right footer,he play all his life as a left full back:rolleyes: LET ME EXPLAIN!!! What is the purpose of pre-season frendly games??? That question should someone ask M. Jol. , cause we won 7/8, with Ghali played particulary well in some of those matches. Routledge played some matches, even started as a right full back vs Birmingham, and did very well... I did not saw them playing today:confused: i think that Jenas is totaly formless,Davids confused with his role and that Ghali and Routledge can give much more than some players curently... I hope Jol will change something vs Sheff. utd, cause otherwise :o
spot on. the midfielders played no part in today's game. Zokora tried his best on the pitch, but it wasn't enough with Jenas doing absolutely nothing, and Davids just fouling and passing back. Even Lennon was disappointing :(

we really missed "fighters" in the midfield today. players like Teemu and Ghaly.

[neilmcnab]

my last entry before i try to sleep it off,, did u see motd, 1st goal jenas, didnt even move and bolton player just went past him to get the header in , ok davs was bein held what was jenas defending, and his fantastic flick led to 2nd goal, what a player future england midfielder? plus england manager watching , i would be trying to impress him , who was he watching in boltons team, they shouldnt need a whole heap of motivation should they?

[baldjim]

ouch that hurt after a day in the pub taking the piss out of the mickey mousers and then the goonas failing to win on their first game in their new shit hole i proudley shouted at the spurs kick off the proper football the new season starts now ouch 90 mins later head in hands **** did we actually want to win,oh well i,m at whl for the sufc game please please my beloved tottenham turn up for the millions of spurs fans that live the spurs life in the hope that one day our cockrell will have something to crow about .**** i,m off to bed i,ve had many beers and a few too many jack d,s now to spend the rest of the weekend avoiding sky sports and every news paper and of course the mobile phone is switched off till monday does any one else take losing so badly ... coys please coys

[laspur]

ouch that hurt after a day in the pub taking the piss out of the mickey mousers and then the goonas failing to win on their first game in their new shit hole i proudley shouted at the spurs kick off the proper football the new season starts now ouch 90 mins later head in hands **** did we actually want to win,oh well i,m at whl for the sufc game please please my beloved tottenham turn up for the millions of spurs fans that live the spurs life in the hope that one day our cockrell will have something to crow about .**** i,m off to bed i,ve had many beers and a few too many jack d,s now to spend the rest of the weekend avoiding sky sports and every news paper and of course the mobile phone is switched off till monday does any one else take losing so badly ... coys please coys
Of course baldjim, my phone is off as well. It was a bad dream that's all, shit it better be. Anyway let's forget and get ready for tuesday. They got the bad one out of the way.

[mgrep1881]

shocking all in all but it cant be any worse that that and i hope this is the wake up call. All summer i heard Gahly was amazing so where was he? maybe that creativity was what was missing?? have to get lennon on the ball in space and not back to goal.
I will not pass judgment on the new guys yet but JJ, Lee and Ed all seemed lost. At lead ED has heart and runs all game but the other 2 i think it is time they had a seat on the bench.

I still believe!!
COYS!!

[Welsh Spur]

Tainio is a starter in the Spurs team. No doubt. He was sorely missed yesterday.

[country cock]

Why the hell is Berbatov on a 2 point rating? That's bullshit!
I gave him 7 did little wrong, but never looked like scoring. It worries me though that despite his obvious good touch and array of skills, he doesn't seem to have a change of pace and may struggle to get away from defenders.

[SurreySpur]

On a happier note, my hangover has just gone!!

[spurs61]

What is the problem with english refs???? P Dowd is an uter idiot, like G. Poll.:)
I would not blame the players today ( even they played without passion), but Martin Jol´s starting line-up. Are we playing 4-4-2 or 4-3-2-1, or what ??? What was E. Davids role today in Jol´s head??? Left winger, defensive midfilder??? What about Lee?? Right full back ??? Even he is a right footer,he play all his life as a left full back:rolleyes: LET ME EXPLAIN!!! What is the purpose of pre-season frendly games??? That question should someone ask M. Jol. , cause we won 7/8, with Ghali played particulary well in some of those matches. Routledge played some matches, even started as a right full back vs Birmingham, and did very well... I did not saw them playing today:confused: i think that Jenas is totaly formless,Davids confused with his role and that Ghali and Routledge can give much more than some players curently... I hope Jol will change something vs Sheff. utd, cause otherwise :o

Absolutley bang on mate.

[derek zoolander]

the solution = someone please shoot jenas, god i hate him....he seriously never does anything from the games i watch, he gets the ball and passes it back or sideways, he's supposed to be the ****ing attacking midfielder!! he did it with carrick and now with zokora, just hold their hand and not move, he cant defend, tackle, take free kicks (even though i'll admit the man utd was a cracker)

get in petrov, pedersen, downing, babel QUICKLY, all this money but lets not bother spending it, good idea

[Danishspurs]

the solution = someone please shoot jenas, god i hate him....he seriously never does anything from the games i watch, he gets the ball and passes it back or sideways, he's supposed to be the ****ing attacking midfielder!! he did it with carrick and now with zokora, just hold their hand and not move, he cant defend, tackle, take free kicks (even though i'll admit the man utd was a cracker)

get in petrov, pedersen, downing, babel QUICKLY, all this money but lets not bother spending it, good idea
Don't agree with you on JJ. He's a very talented young player, but he's just pretty incosistent. He's got great pace, good energy, he scores goals, he's got a good technique, but some matches he's just awful. What he needs is more consistens in his game and he will be a great player.

[Welsh Spur]

Don't agree with you on JJ. He's a very talented young player, but he's just pretty incosistent. He's got great pace, good energy, he scores goals, he's got a good technique, but some matches he's just awful. What he needs is more consistens in his game and he will be a great player.
It's all about consistency. If we're serious about breaking that top four, which on this weekends evidence really doesn't seem realistic, then we need a consistent performance throughout the season. As is being mentioned, it's marathon and if we are going to fulfil our potential then we need consistent perofrmers who justify their price tags and wages and more importantly have the desire to be at the top. Saturday's performance was that of a team at the bottom, not the top of the Premiership. I think there are more places needing strengthening than I first thought, and this is how I see it.

RB - Chimbonda?
AM - We are lacking creativity in midfield and dont seem to have THAT match changing player. Riquelme would be perfect.
LW - MGPedersen is my number one choice, but Petrov would be great also. Downing will need to play superbly for any transfer fee to be justified.
ST - Mido would have been perfect on Saturday, give what you get and we could have used him to batter them just like that ****ing one dimensional idiot Davies does to defences.

I have to point out that Tainio is imperative to this Spurs team. Why wasn't Ghaly in the squad?

[Danishspurs]

It's all about consistency. If we're serious about breaking that top four, which on this weekends evidence really doesn't seem realistic, then we need a consistent performance throughout the season. As is being mentioned, it's marathon and if we are going to fulfil our potential then we need consistent perofrmers who justify their price tags and wages and more importantly have the desire to be at the top. Saturday's performance was that of a team at the bottom, not the top of the Premiership. I think there are more places needing strengthening than I first thought, and this is how I see it.

RB - Chimbonda?
AM - We are lacking creativity in midfield and dont seem to have THAT match changing player. Riquelme would be perfect.
LW - MGPedersen is my number one choice, but Petrov would be great also. Downing will need to play superbly for any transfer fee to be justified.
ST - Mido would have been perfect on Saturday, give what you get and we could have used him to batter them just like that ****ing one dimensional idiot Davies does to defences.

I have to point out that Tainio is imperative to this Spurs team. Why wasn't Ghaly in the squad?
Yeah I know it's about consistensy, but he will get that with experince and age. We must accept that we the young squad we have, the squad will sometimes lack consistency. That's why we need some players with experince and at the peek of their career to come and give us some consistency.

[dommo]

If we are depending on Jenas in the middle of the park we can forget about trying to break into Top 4. He just shows no interest and thinks he's a hell of a lot better than he actually is.. Need to keep Lennon wide , at least it's an outlet. When he's roaming and more central things become crowded and when he gets the ball he has a couple of players around him each time.

[suBerb]

Yeah I know it's about consistensy, but he will get that with experince and age. We must accept that we the young squad we have, the squad will sometimes lack consistency. That's why we need some players with experince and at the peek of their career to come and give us some consistency.

a very good point, Danishspurs

Jenas is a young player and he needs time to become more consistent and to develop his talent. The same goes for Lennon and Defoe. Maybe we have to be more patient with our young team. Maybe we are not ready to challenge the top four this season. But it's clear that Jol is building a very promising squad. Yea, we bought very good players. But they lack premiership experience and we sold Carrick - a KEY player. So we have to be more patient. Otherwise, the burden of the unrealistic expectations will hamper the development of our team.

[Welsh Spur]

I don't see us getting any higher than 4th this season. And that's IF the squad gels together. The three new signings ae going to need another 2-3 games to find their feet, they all made promising debuts, but as MJ said, "welcome to the premiership." None of them were so bad to make me concerned, and all 3 showed good signs of becoming strong players for us. I still think another few signings are required though, With no decent cover for King and the gaping hole on the left, we do look exposed.

[country cock]

[QUOTE=Welsh Spur]I don't see us getting any higher than 4th this season. And that's IF the squad gels together.
I cant see us finishing that high, top 6 would be another good season. I admire your optimism, but we are really not that good yet. I hope i am wrong, but saw too many weaknesses on Saturday to believe otherwise.

[Welsh Spur]

Look at it this way. If we say we can afford to lose 6 games this season. If we lose 6, that leaves 32. Out of those 32, we can draw 8. That leave 24 wins. So if we can do this, which is an improvement on last season, that totals up to:

24 x 3 = 72 and 8 x 1 = 8
72 + 8 = 80

So thats 80 points for the season. Does anyone else think we're not this good yet? Or is it a realistic target? I think we can do it, but by keeping performances like Saturdays' to a minimum.

[neilmcnab]

we have so much money from sales and sponsorship and from last season all other teams who were already stronger have added, it doesnt make sense, we need to set our own standards, like liverpool, im married to tottenham for now 30 years, never gona divorce her but she needs to get agressive b 4 she can be truly sexy. spurs 4 life......

[choda]

we have so much money from sales and sponsorship and from last season all other teams who were already stronger have added, it doesnt make sense, we need to set our own standards, like liverpool, im married to tottenham for now 30 years, never gona divorce her but she needs to get agressive b 4 she can be truly sexy. spurs 4 life......

Lol.

I'll bet your wife loves spurs.:rolleyes:

And you make her put on a spurs kit don't you?

[Danishspurs]

a very good point, Danishspurs

Jenas is a young player and he needs time to become more consistent and to develop his talent. The same goes for Lennon and Defoe. Maybe we have to be more patient with our young team. Maybe we are not ready to challenge the top four this season. But it's clear that Jol is building a very promising squad. Yea, we bought very good players. But they lack premiership experience and we sold Carrick - a KEY player. So we have to be more patient. Otherwise, the burden of the unrealistic expectations will hamper the development of our team.
Yeah that's what i mean, but on the other hand we can't be to patient we could risk to lose some of our talented players who wants to play in the CL.

And why are everybody suddenly so negative about our team? A few weeks ago there were a poll on this site asking what position we thought that spurs would end. And if i'm not wrong I think most answered 3rd or 4th. I can't see why it can't happen because of one bad match.

COYS!!

[choda]

Yeah that's what i mean, but on the other hand we can't be to patient we could risk to lose some of our talented players who wants to play in the CL.

And why are everybody suddenly so negative about our team? A few weeks ago there were a poll on this site asking what position we thought that spurs would end. And if i'm not wrong I think most answered 3rd or 4th. I can't see why it can't happen because of one bad match.

COYS!!

People are having a major knee jerk, that's why.

[laspur]

One game shame, shame, shame on everyone. Give me 5 games at least to know where this team is headed. Were just pissed that's all, but to throw in the towell now? Come on.