Walcott misses out!

[irishspur]

The shit aaron lennon will not be at the world cup along with darren bent thats all ive heard so far, obviously he was being given his last chance to make the squad.

[Rojoknapp]

Hahaha. I hate that guy.

[irishspur]

adam johnson also out, j. cole and wright-phillips in!

[MarlowSpurs]

How the fvck does Heskey make it, the useless donkey

[irishspur]

also looks like upson has been chosen over dawson, ffs there was only one winner on form and it wasent upson. hudd also looks set to miss out, also to an out of form player carrick

[Gino Ginelli]

Announcement not until 3pm I think, until then it's just speculation.

But latest rumour mongering suggests SWP over Walcott (both shite tbh), Defoe over Bent and Dawson in but King out.

[Ginola's Son]

****ING UPSON!!

That's ****ING Brooking sticking his ****ing oar in!!

**** YOU!

[Gino Ginelli]

To be fair, Upson has been in Capello's squad the whole time.

Barry's passed the fitness test apparantly so will be going.

[Ginola's Son]

To be fair - Upson is SHIT!!

Dawson - Best CB in the country 09/10! FACT!

[GQCoolest]

Upson is shit, I guess Capello just figured he'd go with a familiar face for his 5th choice CB. I would say it is unlikely he figures into the lineup at all, but with the number of crocks England has, he may actually see some time in SA.

As an American Spurs fan, I'm hoping as few Spurs players feature against the US as possible so I don't have to cheer against them. That would be tough.

[TURKISH]

Theo Walcott is the greatest media creation ever.

[Gino Ginelli]

I kind of feel sorry for him because he never brought any of it on himself, and he seems a level headed sort of lad.

I hate to say it but I would have probably rather taken him than SWP. Although if Becks was fit I'd have left them both out.

[Ginola's Son]

Pity you don't pick the squad Gino, you'd do a damn sight better then that Italian joke

[NDC123]

How many Arsenal players in the squad?! what a disgrace to this country they really are!

[olly27]

I kind of feel sorry for him because he never brought any of it on himself, and he seems a level headed sort of lad.

I hate to say it but I would have probably rather taken him than SWP. Although if Becks was fit I'd have left them both out.

I dont simply for the reason that we shouldn't be in the business of feeling sorry for players who arn't good enough, which he isn't. Actually he recently stated, on several occassions, that he deserved to go - not sure on what evidence he was referring to exactly - he's been out for most of the season and hasn't impressed for England since his hatrick against Croatia.

Immensely frustrating player and it now frees up Lennon to play in his strongest position for certain.

I would of taken a chance on AJ, for starters he displaced SWP at City for the second half of the season and was mightly impressive.

[TURKISH]

I dont simply for the reason that we shouldn't be in the business of feeling sorry for players who arn't good enough, which he isn't. Actually he recently stated, on several occassions, that he deserved to go - not sure on what evidence he was referring to exactly - he's been out for most of the season and hasn't impressed for England since his hatrick against Croatia.

Immensely frustrating player and it now frees up Lennon to play in his strongest position for certain.

I would of taken a chance on AJ, for starters he displaced SWP at City for the second half of the season and was mightly impressive.

Agree on AJ and the whole post actually. Not a fan of Theo he just winds me up, the bloke would probly make a decent striker but not a rw.

[Indianspur]

Carleton cole and agbonlohor would have been better bets than heskey!

darren bent just does not cut it against the big boys as reliant on others for everything to get through on goal.

scott parker should have gone because he is an all action midfielder with more talents than carrick and barry.
thudd will be back so no concerns there.

dawson should have gone instead of upson, they think upsons more of an athlete and wont get turned like dawson on talksport hmmmm...

[Baleinho]

Ok.

I'm going to spark up the Heskey debate.

He might not be the best striker (understatement of the ****ing century) but Rooney loves having him as a strike partner. Heskey is great at getting the ball to feet and as a target man for Rooney I cant think of a better choice.

Having Rooney at half his ability because he doesn't have the right strike partner is a crime.

Glad to see Walcott out; seems like a good guy but ultimately he just hasn't played well.

[Ginola's Son]

The England team should not revolve around Wayne Rooney

Heskey is a STRIKEr - his job is SPECIFICALLY to score goals. He cannot do that -he shouldn't be in the team

**** what Wayne wants.

Bent's 25 goal salvo this season should have seen him in the squad without a doubt

Its the same boring crap as the Eriksson era. Just the SAME!

[olly27]

Ok.

I'm going to spark up the Heskey debate.

He might not be the best striker (understatement of the ****ing century) but Rooney loves having him as a strike partner. Heskey is great at getting the ball to feet and as a target man for Rooney I cant think of a better choice.

Having Rooney at half his ability because he doesn't have the right strike partner is a crime.

Glad to see Walcott out; seems like a good guy but ultimately he just hasn't played well.

I agree with you. The simple fact is that playing Heskey will get you more out of Rooney than playing Bent - even though the latter has scored way more than Heskey. Its about the partnership and the overall good of the team. You have to give your star man every opportunity to shine. Defoe got the nod over Bent, not Heskey IMO, like the media would have you believe - he was always going. If Bent had been picked it would of been at Defoe's expense but JD had already done enough. Bent didn't really have a hope.

Sir Alf Ramsey once said...'I dont pick the best eleven players, I pick the best team'.

Perfectly put IMO.

[Ginola's Son]

Thats absolute CRAP mate. It's just a case of better the devil you know. A relationship could have been created between Bent and Rooney if was actually bothered with, but everyone is too terrified of not playing this wanky, ****ing SHIT hold-up play CRAP that Heskey provides. I'd rather see Rooney's strike partner bang in a load of his own! That's his job. It's the midfields job to provide assists, the strikers to SCORE GOALS!

This will cost us any chance we have. It's a tired, dull format of playing and we'll be found out by the worlds best easily

And I thought Fabio was different

**** YOU HESKEY! And UPSON!

[olly27]

Thats absolute CRAP mate. It's just a case of better the devil you know. A relationship could have been created between Bent and Rooney if was actually bothered with, but everyone is too terrified of not playing this wanky, ****ing SHIT hold-up play CRAP that Heskey provides. I'd rather see Rooney's strike partner bang in a load of his own! That's his job. It's the midfields job to provide assists, the strikers to SCORE GOALS!

This will cost us any chance we have. It's a tired, dull format of playing and we'll be found out by the worlds best easily

And I thought Fabio was different

**** YOU HESKEY! And UPSON!

Its far from crap mate and if he was 'a better the devil you know' kinda guy he would of been taking Walnutt. Thats one thing he isn't....he's not scared to make big calls but he also isn't too reckless.

Heskey will provide an option that has already worked, with many an example in the qualifying campaign.

I would be playing Gerrard off Rooney, and after Barry returns I would be hoping to see:

Green/Hart

Johnson
Terry
Ferdinand
A Cole

Lennon
Barry
Lampard
J Cole

Gerrard

Rooney


Plenty of options, Milner and SWP for the wings. A conventional 2 up top introducing Crouch or Heskey. Or the impact of bringing on JD.

[Ginola's Son]

Desperately groping for the positives that aren't there

We got no chance thanks to this shite selection.

Lennons our one true hope.

[olly27]

Desperately groping for the positives that aren't there

We got no chance thanks to this shite selection.

Lennons our one true hope.

Its not the Heskey/Bent selection that I disagreed with - personally. I definitely think Dawson should of gone ahead of Upson, and one of Parker or Hudd ahead of Carrick.

Agree about Lennon as well. He could be the difference.

[Ginola's Son]

Bent ahead of Heskey because he's better

A. Johnson ahead of SWP because he's better

Hudd ahead of Carrick because he's better

Dawson ahead of Upson because he's INFINITELY better

I think you'll find my reasoning bang on.

[olly27]

Bent ahead of Heskey because he's better

A. Johnson ahead of SWP because he's better

Hudd ahead of Carrick because he's better

Dawson ahead of Upson because he's INFINITELY better

I think you'll find my reasoning bang on.



I can understand why he took Heskey over Bent, he's thinking of getting the best out of Rooney, something that was worked in the past for him and something he knows.

Defoe is in, forget Bent,

So while I agree with you in principle on the others, there are other factors that you ignore and overlook.

[Ginola's Son]

Why must we create the team after Rooney's whims? It is a TEAM - not Rooney + 10!!

I'm overlooking Heskey cos he's a tired old geezer with a woeful international scoring record

it's shameful!

[Gino Ginelli]

Er... Rooney is head and shoulders above everyone else in this squad, of course we should build it around him to maximise his potential. All the pro's love playing with Heskey because of the space he creates for others and the hard time he gives defenders. He's the definition of big target man.

This squad is all about experience. A.Johnson has years ahead of him, and a big future. Carrick has had an off season but he still has years of CL and international football experience compared to Tom. And who would have even called him up a year ago? He's done amazing this season and if he continues to impress, especially in the CL, then he'll be involved for sure.

All the players who have missed out (except for Parker, but then I wouldn't quite put him at international level anyway) are on the cusp for a future with England once the current crop fade away after this tournament.

[MarlowSpurs]

Old Arry's comments..

http://msnsport.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_6184811,00.html

[Ginola's Son]

Er... Rooney is head and shoulders above everyone else in this squad, of course we should build it around him to maximise his potential. All the pro's love playing with Heskey because of the space he creates for others and the hard time he gives defenders. He's the definition of big target man.

This squad is all about experience. A.Johnson has years ahead of him, and a big future. Carrick has had an off season but he still has years of CL and international football experience compared to Tom. And who would have even called him up a year ago? He's done amazing this season and if he continues to impress, especially in the CL, then he'll be involved for sure.

All the players who have missed out (except for Parker, but then I wouldn't quite put him at international level anyway) are on the cusp for a future with England once the current crop fade away after this tournament.

So we sentimentally hand the older players one last hurrah even when they aren't up to it anymore? With a view that the 'new breed' will take over. You're having a laugh. Most of them will still be here in 4 years, denying better players their chance. Heskey - a case in point right now. He hasn't faded the **** away! Even though his shooting prowess did long ago!

The squad should be a mix of experience and youthful exuberance. Terry, Lampard, Gerrard, James - you got the experience in spades.

Dawson has had five years playing in the top flight and apart from a slight dip in 07/08 his form has been outstanding throughout.

Tell me how SWP gets in ahead of Johnson when he has literally taken his place at City? How does that work?

The time is NOW. The world cup can be won NOW - not next time

And I don't agree that Rooney is head and shoulders above everyone else either. Quality striker - but it's a TEAM game!

[Apples]

Lets put this in perspective

The only one left behind that would make our first team sheet is Adam Johnson

Who cares who is brought out of the rest - none of them are going to make that much of difference to the person who has taken there place.

I.e Dawson and Upson - Dawson is better but neither will play
Huddlesone and Carrick - same
Bent and Defoe - same

Really it does not matter

[Gino Ginelli]

Lets put this in perspective

The only one left behind that would make our first team sheet is Adam Johnson

Who cares who is brought out of the rest - none of them are going to make that much of difference to the person who has taken there place.

I.e Dawson and Upson - Dawson is better but neither will play
Huddlesone and Carrick - same
Bent and Defoe - same

Really it does not matter

This.

At the end of the day, the positions we're quibbling about are merely back up and won't get a game unless it all goes tits up for a large number of the key players. In those instances you have to go with experience.

[Ginola's Son]

Lets put this in perspective

The only one left behind that would make our first team sheet is Adam Johnson

Who cares who is brought out of the rest - none of them are going to make that much of difference to the person who has taken there place.

I.e Dawson and Upson - Dawson is better but neither will play
Huddlesone and Carrick - same
Bent and Defoe - same

Really it does not matter

It really DOES matter. You should get awarded an international call-up for merit. Dawson has MORE than merited this call up so to not get it is a disgrace, a travesty and a crime punishable by death!

Understand!

[Gino Ginelli]

But not proved himself at International level in time for the World Cup.

Plus it's only a game, death scentences seem somewhat unnessecary. Seriously mate, you're going to have an anuerism...

[Ginola's Son]

And Upson has? Proved himself? Never played in a major tournament only used for the shitty friendlies that Terry and Rio can't arssed with!

It's worth the risk, and then some, what do you lose by taking Dawson? Nothing!

[Gino Ginelli]

No, Upson has played in the qualifiers and scored in the first game.

[Rojoknapp]

The England team should not revolve around Wayne Rooney

Heskey is a STRIKEr - his job is SPECIFICALLY to score goals. He cannot do that -he shouldn't be in the team

**** what Wayne wants.

Bent's 25 goal salvo this season should have seen him in the squad without a doubt

Its the same boring crap as the Eriksson era. Just the SAME!

But it does. And if England are going to win the World Cup or have any chance of doing so then the team needs to revolve around Rooney. He is England's only hope.

[Ginola's Son]

Oh **** this shit, you're all mental!

[berbzy 'G']

:001_rolleyes:

[Ginola's Son]

Yes Berbzy. Exactly how I feel. A nice good old fashioned ROLL OF THE EYES in protest at the wanton stupidity of all the posts that wave away the fact that good decent English players are being overlooked for ****ing stupid reasons and just accepting it.

I agree!!

ROLL EYES ROLL EYES!

[deadleyledley]

firstly on walnut, it was hardly suprising!!

secondly, the selection of the strikers was between bent and defoe. you cant compare bent to heskey. we all saw that bent cant head to save his life for both england and when he was with us. so you cant compare him to someone who rely's on his heading like heskey does.

it would have been between bent and defoe and this is a no brainer so no complaints there.

in defence not sure how upson got ahead of daws and you would have to say that capellos decision on this was poor. look at west hams defensive record. they have upson and green in the squad. no matter about experience, i think daws would have got comfort from the fact that ledley was there and they are by far the best CB pairing in the premier league.

finnaly central midfield, tough decision as this position would be very important. barry is not hundred percent and lampard and gerrard dont play terribly well together so the man in here would be a very important figue in the team. think it would have to be a balance of both form and experience. carrick would edge it for even though both hudd and parker had great seasons.

[Ginola's Son]

Experience isn't everything.

I'd rather gamble on raw talent.

[Rojoknapp]

GS have you been drinking? :tongue_smilie:

[Ginola's Son]

Not enough.

[berbzy 'G']

Not enough.

It' the start of the weekend, drink away!