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GOONHATER
14th August 2006, 11:24 PM
Did Anyone Watch Jamie Stating That We Have Scuppered Our Chance's Of A Top Four Finnish This Season,because We Did Not Push The Boat Out And Break The Wage Structure To Bring DAMIAN DUFF To Whl. Wot Do You Guy's Think? Is He Right Or Wrong! The Debate Is Now Open To You're Intellegent Mind's. SORRY IVE HAD TO EDIT THE POST AS PEOPLE WERE THINKING I MEANT JAMIE,WOT A PRATT I AM!

hastingsyid
14th August 2006, 11:27 PM
thought he"d retired

DarlinginJapan
15th August 2006, 12:02 AM
Yeah, definitely don't want him back and certainly not if we have to break our wage struture too!

choda
15th August 2006, 12:08 AM
You're on about Duff I take it.

Personally I think our current wage structure is probably important to the clubs stability. They want to do this right and I respect that. It is very important how you go about making progress. We are running at a profit right now, and they want to keep it like that while also continually building, increasing the revenue and in turn the wage structure.

I think this is the best way to do it, until you are established as a champions league side it is foolish to break the current structure. This is a time where we can't really take any risks or we risk ruining the progress. **** Duff and his inflated wages, he could have destabilised the dressing room, with al the players wanting to be paid proportionately to him. And also new signings might want more aswell.

Newcastel don't run their club well that's why they have infighting and so much trouble building the club.

GOONHATER
15th August 2006, 12:11 AM
You're on about Duff I take it.

Personally I think our current wage structure is probably important to the clubs stability. They want to do this right and I respect that. It is very important how you go about making progress. We are running at a profit right now, and they want to keep it like that while also continually building, increasing the revenue and in turn the wage structure.

I think this is the best way to do it, until you are established as a champions league side it is foolish to break the current structure. This is a time where we can't really take any risks or we risk ruining the progress. **** Duff and his inflated wages, he could have destabilised the dressing room, with al the players wanting to be paid proportionately to him. And also new signings might want more aswell.

Newcastel don't run their club well that's why they have infighting and so much trouble building the club.CHEERS CHODA YOU ACTUALLY GOT WOT I MEANT BEFOR I HAD EDITED IT!

Indianspur
15th August 2006, 01:01 AM
I agree with Choda why should Duff get paid more than the others even tho he wont be the best player in the squad and destabilise everyone. i Know he wud improve the team but hopefullly it will bring out the best in players who will play instead of him or we may buy a gem!

Keanoldinho
15th August 2006, 02:08 AM
Jamie Redknapp is a total prat, WTF does he know?

Duff is a good player and one I wanted us to get at first, but he showed his true colours and proved to be a money grabbing ******.

Our squad is alot stronger than last year ok we lost Carrick and fat boy Mido is gone but Zokora, Berbatov, and Ekotto are all class and on top of that Defoe is looking likely to hit 20+ this season. Most of our squad are more experienced in the EPL now and are more hungry for success than I've ever seen in my 17 years supporting Tottenham.

It would be nice to get a LW in, but imo we don't need one. Ekotto is more than capable of getting up the left wing and getting crosses in and if we put Davids or Tainio on the left of midfield they can provide defensive cover and allow Ekotto to show us his attacking skillz.

On the topic of our wage structure I'm of the opinion we should break it for noone until we're an established CL team. It would be a very stupid thing to do I mean if it's good enough for world class players like King and Keane then it's should be good enough for anyone.

fluke
15th August 2006, 03:48 AM
As a supporter it's hard to be objective. Realistically we should all be happy to have an improving team and a financially sucessful company to follow. David O'leary with his chairman's help certainly gave the fans what thay wanted with champions league football at Leeds for a time. But at what price? How many of those fans would swap places with us right now?

yes I thinks that Duff would have brought us forward as a team but backwards as a business. In business it easy for everyone to tell you how to spend your money - reality and stability dictate something else. From what I read on this board I think most of us get it. We've been patient for so long.

Regardless, please please can we sign a decent left MF player before the end of August..

singapore spur
15th August 2006, 05:00 AM
keep the pay structure as it is , as regards duff , apparently he didnt want to come anyway cos of his chelseas connection . if we miss a player purely through their money demands then maybe they are not the player we want anyway . ok that sounds a bit naive but ffs its not as if we are paying peanuts , though to be honest i dont know what the top end of our salary deals are

JJ
15th August 2006, 07:10 AM
Ahahaha Jamie Redknapp. He's hardly considered one of the football brains.

whistler9027
15th August 2006, 07:31 AM
Nothing against young Jamie...and he has got a fit wife..who in my opinion would be a better pundit.It is important to keep the wage structure in place and the club stable,certainly until we move on to champions league ,and then at least have a couple of seasons competing at that level.We are still developing as a team and club and to get carried away would be dangerous.
Spurs have made good progress and have a pretty decent squad despite the restrictions of the wage structure etc.Just throwing money at players even good players isn't always the answer..there are never any guarantees..which even chelski will come to realise in their pursuit of the CL.

Duff is a good player but I don't think he's one to break the bank for.Plenty of clubs have spent big for short term gain..i.e.Leeds..and have suffered because of it.

With each step we take I'm sure the club will adjust cash structure accordingly.

Mr Redknapp is on T.V because he's pretty..and he's dad is Harry..simple as.

Welsh Spur
15th August 2006, 10:40 AM
Duff has no ambition. Why the **** else would you choose that joke of a football club over the mighty Spurs? I rest my case.

spurs61
15th August 2006, 10:49 AM
Duff has no ambition. Why the **** else would you choose that joke of a football club over the mighty Spurs? I rest my case.

Couldn' agree more mate, any professional footballer will tell you that a tranfer to the barcodes is a kiss of death in terms of career. The entire club is basically one big comfort home for lazy footballers with no ambition (apart from Shearer who can't help where he's born). The sooner their fans stop deluding themselves that they are a big club the better. I'm sick of the press wanking themselves into a frenzy about the Geordies potential and their ****ing fat, ugly drunken fans. Best fans in the country my arse, more like ASBO inducing, tax dodging, thieving scum.

Returnoftheking
15th August 2006, 11:41 AM
Anyone actually know what out upper limit wage is and what Duff has agreed with NCFC?

spurs61
15th August 2006, 11:47 AM
Our wage limited is around £50,000 per week. I'm sure we'd break it for a world class superstar but Damien Duff, I don't think so. Apparently he's on around £70k per week.

highlander
15th August 2006, 11:57 AM
i like redknapp a lot but i think he's wrong on this one. if duff was asking around the £40,000-£45,000 mark then ok a deal could be done but he's not worth a penny more than that.

hastingsyid
15th August 2006, 12:46 PM
Duff has no ambition. Why the **** else would you choose that joke of a football club over the mighty Spurs? I rest my case.
after the quote by welshspur i think that says it all

Spur
15th August 2006, 02:10 PM
I've got the upmost respect for Redknapp, and even if he was wrong it is down to each person's opinion.

All of us would have been breaking open a champagne bottle if we had got Duff, now we still have no-one, so Redknapp has got a very valid argument, even if I don't agree with it.

JJ
15th August 2006, 02:58 PM
Had he said that we scuppered our chances by not signing a left winger, then fair enough, but to say that Duff would have been the difference between getting 4th and not, well that's just a bit silly.

Billywhizz
15th August 2006, 07:45 PM
Duff is the new sicknote pulled out of Ireland's squad today because of injury, the guy's forever in the physio room, blessing in disguise we did'nt sign him

TomMcLaren
15th August 2006, 09:29 PM
I'm disappointed we didn't sign Duff as he would have been a great player for us, even if he only managed 30 games a season. However, team vs. player (wage structure vs. signing Duff) I would take team every time. No player is worth destabilising the team structure over.

RuFuS
16th August 2006, 04:15 PM
The problem is this. If Duff was really good, the Ities and spaniards would have snapped him up and if they showed and interest Man U and the likes off would have been sniffing about. We showed an interest but He chose the toon. FFS

sundancer
16th August 2006, 06:17 PM
Glad we did not break our pay limits for Duff, in my opinion he is not worth it anyway, we have a great team that are playing for each other why create problems for a player who will spend more time on the injury list then on the field. Newcastle deserve him.

Welsh Spur
16th August 2006, 10:09 PM
He's injured already anyway. Glad he chose them; he saved us 3 years+ of paying £55,000 grand a week for a player who'll probably manage 10-15 games a season.

Shuggie13
16th August 2006, 11:03 PM
He's injured already anyway. Glad he chose them; he saved us 3 years+ of paying £55,000 grand a week for a player who'll probably manage 10-15 games a season.


Beat me to it. Yes, Duff is already injured, we had 10 years of Anderton, no more sicknotes please.

I like the wage structure. It means no one can walk into the team and cause a little bit of a riff with our highest paid earners. There are very few players I would break the bank for with wages and Duff was never going to be one of them.

DarlinginJapan
17th August 2006, 01:44 AM
The problem is this. If Duff was really good, the Ities and spaniards would have snapped him up and if they showed and interest Man U and the likes off would have been sniffing about. We showed an interest but He chose the toon. FFS

That's cobblers! By that way of thinking why did we sign Berbatov, Zokora or for that matter Ardiles, Ginola or Sally the cleaning lady! If Madrid, Barce, Juventus and Milan wanted every player we wanted I don't think we'd be signing anyone!

Keanoldinho
17th August 2006, 02:21 AM
That's cobblers! By that way of thinking why did we sign Berbatov, Zokora or for that matter Ardiles, Ginola or Sally the cleaning lady! If Madrid, Barce, Juventus and Milan wanted every player we wanted I don't think we'd be signing anyone!

Berbatov was wanted by Manure among others but in Berbatovs words "Jol is a special very man" and Zokora was wanted by a whole host of top clubs but Comolli has known him for years.

So that's not totally cobblers. Duff is just a aging injury prone money grabbing ****** and the big clubs all know it that's why cheatski sold him for only 5 mil.

choda
17th August 2006, 03:31 AM
Berbatov was wanted by Manure among others but in Berbatovs words "Jol is a special very man" and Zokora was wanted by a whole host of top clubs but Comolli has known him for years.

So that's not totally cobblers. Duff is just a aging injury prone money grabbing ****** and the big clubs all know it that's why cheatski sold him for only 5 mil.

Money grabbing yes, but he's an excellent player. And in case you don't realise it he had offers from Inter and Valancia but he told his agents he wasn't going abroad.

He went for 5 mil because there was only one year left on his contract, and he wanted to leave for regular first team football. Wingers get stimied at Chelsea, they don't play football which allows talented wingers to flourish. You're being harsh on him, he's been scintillating over the years (do you remeber WC 2002) until he had some troubles at Chelsea (just like Robben last year and swp).

Keanoldinho
17th August 2006, 05:08 AM
Money grabbing yes, but he's an excellent player. And in case you don't realise it he had offers from Inter and Valancia but he told his agents he wasn't going abroad.

He went for 5 mil because there was only one year left on his contract, and he wanted to leave for regular first team football. Wingers get stimied at Chelsea, they don't play football which allows talented wingers to flourish. You're being harsh on him, he's been scintillating over the years (do you remeber WC 2002) until he had some troubles at Chelsea (just like Robben last year and swp).


don't believe that for one minute valencia got vicente and silva on the lw and imo he's far from excellent and you being Irish will make excuses for him, but he's an aging injury prone wankbag.

RuFuS
17th August 2006, 02:41 PM
That's cobblers!

No it's not. Taking duff as a point of reference. He is a good player but not that good. He has not improved since he's been at chelsea. Nor did chelsea improve by him being there. In fact he's gone backwards and struggled to get in the team. Hence no interest from abroad whether he wanted to go there or not.
Another point of reference is Carrick who did improve in his time at Spurs (not 18 mill of improvement imo) but improvement nevertheless.
So much so that jock thought he'd get him and potentialy improve him and his team before the continentals woke up to him.

choda
17th August 2006, 04:08 PM
don't believe that for one minute valencia got vicente and silva on the lw and imo he's far from excellent and you being Irish will make excuses for him, but he's an aging injury prone wankbag.

It's got nothing to do with him being Irish, as I've stated before I don't judge players on their passport. I never level that one at English people I don't see why I get that sometimes. Everything I said is true, the only downside to him as a player is that he's a bit injury prone alright.

A lot of people are saying swp is shit now aswell, I don't get why people do that. There is always context to be considered aswell. They are very good players.

Welsh Spur
17th August 2006, 04:18 PM
I don't think SWP or Duff are bad players, they ar both very very good players, but unfortunately for both, the 'victims' (well SWP anyway) of Chelsea's glory methods. Chelsea thinks of Chelsea, and nothing else, and as soon as you're out of fashion there, you are screwed. It's a pity because SWP is such a talent, and Duff was blinding before he went to Chelsea.

Oh, and choda, couldn't help but thinking how different people's responses would be if your location was still hidden, or you kept your nationality a secret. It would be interesting. Not that I think you should. Just so you understand. :D

Keanoldinho
17th August 2006, 04:36 PM
It's got nothing to do with him being Irish, as I've stated before I don't judge players on their passport. I never level that one at English people I don't see why I get that sometimes. Everything I said is true, the only downside to him as a player is that he's a bit injury prone alright.

A lot of people are saying swp is shit now aswell, I don't get why people do that. There is always context to be considered aswell. They are very good players.

in your opinion it's true, BUT in my opinion it's bollox:D

I rate SWP but he's moved backwards alot and better get out cheatski if he ever wants to improve and fulfill the potential he once had. I doubt he'll overtake Lennon though because our boy is a very special talent

Keanoldinho
17th August 2006, 05:40 PM
LMFAO Duff had offers from Inter and Valencia but he picked newcastle yeah right

Gregzy
17th August 2006, 06:20 PM
You're on about Duff I take it.

Personally I think our current wage structure is probably important to the clubs stability. They want to do this right and I respect that. It is very important how you go about making progress. We are running at a profit right now, and they want to keep it like that while also continually building, increasing the revenue and in turn the wage structure.

I think this is the best way to do it, until you are established as a champions league side it is foolish to break the current structure. This is a time where we can't really take any risks or we risk ruining the progress. **** Duff and his inflated wages, he could have destabilised the dressing room, with al the players wanting to be paid proportionately to him. And also new signings might want more aswell.

Newcastel don't run their club well that's why they have infighting and so much trouble building the club.

Choda, once again you prove yourself to be the Yoda of these pages. Don't stop emparting your wisdom here...

The road to football hell is paved with inflated wage structures and is called Leeds Avenue... Some players would be worth breaking the wage structure for - but they would be many leagues above Duff in terms of stature, image-rights and down-right talent...

choda
17th August 2006, 10:42 PM
Choda, once again you prove yourself to be the Yoda of these pages. Don't stop emparting your wisdom here...

The road to football hell is paved with inflated wage structures and is called Leeds Avenue... Some players would be worth breaking the wage structure for - but they would be many leagues above Duff in terms of stature, image-rights and down-right talent...

Cheers buddy. It's a pity you weren't giving out the jersey!

Funny you should call me yoda, some of my nicknames are chode, choda, and they spawned a few more into yoda, yodler, and yodachode.