Pavlyuchenko

[MarlowSpurs]

Article from the Mail about Pav

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1251320/Spurs-misfit-Roman-Pavlyuchenkos-10-5m-Lokomotiv-Moscow-vetoed-boss-Harry-Redknapp.html

The bit I like is

But Redknapp has vetoed the deal because he is not prepared to weaken a squad chasing a top-four League finish and FA Cup glory.


He never fvckin plays him

[Spursdog]

Article from the Mail about Pav

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1251320/Spurs-misfit-Roman-Pavlyuchenkos-10-5m-Lokomotiv-Moscow-vetoed-boss-Harry-Redknapp.html

The bit I like is



He never fvckin plays him

I can't lie I feel so sorry for Pav, guy just wants to play football. Just let the lad go and use one of our kids as 4th striker like Mason. If they are just too raw, get Robbie back.

[peterc]

Article from the Mail about Pav

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1251320/Spurs-misfit-Roman-Pavlyuchenkos-10-5m-Lokomotiv-Moscow-vetoed-boss-Harry-Redknapp.html

The bit I like is



He never fvckin plays him

Typical Redknob, says one things and does the complete opposite.:stupid:

[Elthamspur]

I just don't get it with Pav. Give him a chance Arry. He came on for a bit v Leeds in the first game and scored a nice goal and him and Defoe linked up well for a bit last season before Defoe got injured. Then after coming on and scoring early, he's dropped again and even when we're failing to score with the boring long balls to Crouch, he STILL doesn't get brought on!

[deadleyledley]

we can safely say that pav is the best all round striker we have. he can do everything. we are all sick and tired of the long ball shit, so why doesn't he bring him on.

this is why harry will never make it as one of the best managers in the league. he doesnt use the resources he has available enough.

[hastingsyid]

mind fvcking boggles

[MarlowSpurs]

mind fvcking boggles

Yep just look at Berbs:stupid:

[SCIFIN17YID]

I guess its a bye bye pav, pffft stupid manager, look at all the clubs redknob have left in the past and what happened to them, pfft, fooking wheeler and dealer.

[Rojoknapp]

I guess its a bye bye pav, pffft stupid manager, look at all the clubs redknob have left in the past and what happened to them, pfft, fooking wheeler and dealer.

How can people believe that a manager is in charge of the finances of a club? How is that possible? Do you really think Redknapp just goes and buys whoever the hell he wants and tells the chairman to f*ck off if he's told that the club don't have enough money? Redknapp is not in any way responsible for the finances of any club that he has left. If he wants a player, he has to ask the guy who is going to pay for the player. The money has absolutely nothing to do with Redknapp.

[Gold7]

who said any thing about Harry being in charge of finances ?

[Apples]

who said any thing about Harry being in charge of finances ?

To be fair to Rojo, what else can you all be implying?

[Ginola's Son]

Pav should be starting for us, simple as that. The Crouch long ball disgusts me.

[TURKISH]

Pav should be starting for us, simple as that. The Crouch long ball disgusts me.

Agree, he has turned us into a laughing stock. The reason why the teams not not chipping in with goals is because we are one dimensional who just cross our fingers that we can win the second ball from Crouch.

Crouch has 5 league goals in 26 games. THAT IS POOR!

[Ginola's Son]

I knew this would happen when we signed him. He's better as a bench player, when all else fails THEN try the long ball.

[Rojoknapp]

who said any thing about Harry being in charge of finances ?

Scifi said "look at all the clubs redknob have left in the past and what happened to them" which I'm pretty sure was in reference to the state of finances at West Ham, Pompey and Southampton.

On another note, this ridiculous name "redknob" is really pissing me off (not just Scifi using it). He's taken us from relegation candidates to Champions League candidates in a year and suddenly he's a knob because we're f*cking 6th!!?! Absolutely ridiculous.

[Gold7]

Scifi said "look at all the clubs redknob have left in the past and what happened to them" which I'm pretty sure was in reference to the state of finances at West Ham, Pompey and Southampton.

On another note, this ridiculous name "redknob" is really pissing me off (not just Scifi using it). He's taken us from relegation candidates to Champions League candidates in a year and suddenly he's a knob because we're f*cking 6th!!?! Absolutely ridiculous.

Sorry pal my mistake I got the wrong end of the stick a bit . I understand what your saying . However think about this for a minute , although your quite right when you say that harry doesn't decide whether those clubs are spending more than they should be, there is a school of thought that would suggest that he could have influence on a chairman's " gung-ho-ness " if that's a word .

When he turns up at a club he delivers instant change in players performance's and overall he's teams are no pushovers and he brings instant relative success, be it promotion from the championship or relegation survival. That in turn makes the chairman think hang on a minute finally we got the manager to take us all the way, so then he asks Harry. What will it take to make us get to the next level ? Harry says we need " X Y and Z" to get there , so the chairman takes a punt and plough in money with faith in Harry, but then Harry either leaves or doesn't have the tactical nous to deal with the next level.

Now I'm some one who wasn't keen on Harry at first, but he has won me over last season and early part of this, but of late I'm as frustrated as any one that he won't give pav a chance and persists with crouch and he's sent keane out on loan and the long balls. But chucking insults at him is no way to go , let's all judge him "come what may " pun intended . Who knows what might happen he might even get his act together and play pav and we may yet reach our goal of 4th.

[Antilokhos]

On another note, this ridiculous name "redknob" is really pissing me off (not just Scifi using it). He's taken us from relegation candidates to Champions League candidates in a year and suddenly he's a knob because we're f*cking 6th!!?! Absolutely ridiculous.

That's not really accurate, there's no way we should have been relegation candidates when Redknapp took over. In my opinion he doesn't deserve credit because we're only where we are supposed to be. I mean, we expect Spurs to be pushing for 4th every year, and even an impartial observer would think, given our resources, that a 6-8 finish would be the minimum to expect.

So in effect, you want to give Redknapp credit for doing what? Having the club where we are supposed to be? I think one can argue that Redknapp hasn't done a bad job, for the most part he hasn't. (Although his handling of the strikers definitely seem to fall into that category.)

But I don't think you can really argue that he's done a good job either. Since he's taken over, we haven't done anything more than we should, and in a lot of ways we've fallen short. In truth, this season has been wide open for 4th place, and our inability to take advantage is not the sign of a good manager.

[SCIFIN17YID]

I am just talking about the following: Spurs are some how now a long ball team, do you think harry is doing a better job than Martin Jol, and I meant in my past post, i.e he leaves the clubs with huge deficits and when he leaves that club falls apart, also looks like the guy for us has run out of idea's, as far as us being relegation candidates, come on we just had a bad start to the season, what the hell happens to us in April with those back to back games, playing like we have been currently playing do you expect us to win them, I wouldn't be surprised if we sell Lennon to man united when the transfer window comes, and what did we do buy keane and loan him out for a season why did he just not get in a good player and not waste time with keane, keane is clearly rubbish, we buy back kaboul whos decisions are these ? im sure levy did not ask for there return. I call him redknob because he is making silly decisions and not learning from them, not to mention his lovely lines in my signature.

Champions League candidates <-- mate you got high hopes ! come on seriously when this season is over do you really think we will place 4th spot in the table ? I would love us to personally but I just cant see it happening, especially by the way we have been playing.

[olly27]

That's not really accurate, there's no way we should have been relegation candidates when Redknapp took over. In my opinion he doesn't deserve credit because we're only where we are supposed to be. I mean, we expect Spurs to be pushing for 4th every year, and even an impartial observer would think, given our resources, that a 6-8 finish would be the minimum to expect.

So in effect, you want to give Redknapp credit for doing what? Having the club where we are supposed to be? I think one can argue that Redknapp hasn't done a bad job, for the most part he hasn't. (Although his handling of the strikers definitely seem to fall into that category.)

But I don't think you can really argue that he's done a good job either. Since he's taken over, we haven't done anything more than we should, and in a lot of ways we've fallen short. In truth, this season has been wide open for 4th place, and our inability to take advantage is not the sign of a good manager.


That is a ridiculous post, and your claiming his post isn't accurate! He is stating the facts, and the facts are simple we were in a terrible position when Harry took over and now we are competing for a CL spot in a very competitive league. Your attitude is exactly why other fans detest us, the arrogance to assume we should be right up there every season no matter what we or anyone else is doing. Furthermore to take away the credit from Harry becasuse ' we should' be doing this every season is completely absurd.

Harry has pissed me off lately but that analysis is deluded. If you took the season, as a hypothetical, for the whole of 2009 we have over 70 points.

He may not be the one to lead us into the CL but to not acknowledge the job he has done given the position we were in when he took over is just plain naieve. Instant gratification, instant success...changing minds every week, knee jerk reactions, complete and utter impatience, its no wonder we never get any stability.

[olly27]

The Club's finances are the specific remit of the Chairman. If they are taking unnecessary risks due to a managers influence they are in the wrong business and are hardly 'fit and proper' themselves.

Any big Club have endless Acountants and experts aiding the people at the top, ie Chairman.

How Harry or any other manager for that matter is going to be liabile for a Club going to shit is beyond me. Ok losing some money on getting a signing wrong can be costly but that is suppose to be Harry's strength.

Just to digress here a bit.
My understanding regarding Leeds, was that player contracts were based on speculative monies, ie qualifying for the CL, and to attract better players to get them into the CL required them to offer more wages, which in turn required them to borrow more. The rest is History, and hardly all at the door of the manager!!

The manager is the regular face people connect a Club with, a lot more to it than attributing the blame to a manager when a Club goes tits up.

[Antilokhos]

That is a ridiculous post, and your claiming his post isn't accurate! He is stating the facts, and the facts are simple we were in a terrible position when Harry took over and now we are competing for a CL spot in a very competitive league. Your attitude is exactly why other fans detest us, the arrogance to assume we should be right up there every season no matter what we or anyone else is doing. Furthermore to take away the credit from Harry becasuse ' we should' be doing this every season is completely absurd.

Harry has pissed me off lately but that analysis is deluded. If you took the season, as a hypothetical, for the whole of 2009 we have over 70 points.

He may not be the one to lead us into the CL but to not acknowledge the job he has done given the position we were in when he took over is just plain naieve. Instant gratification, instant success...changing minds every week, knee jerk reactions, complete and utter impatience, its no wonder we never get any stability.
Was bottom of the league a position where a team like us should have been? Is that where you would expect a team that has spend as much on the squad as we did? I don't see how it's arrogance to expect a return on investment.

And I don't think somebody really deserves a ton of credit for taking the quality of players we have to a middling position. And when you look at how wide open things have been this year, and how many points we've dropped, then yeah, I find it pretty disappointing.

Also, why would I care what other club's supporters think of me? Just seems an odd thing to include.

[olly27]

Was bottom of the league a position where a team like us should have been? Is that where you would expect a team that has spend as much on the squad as we did? I don't see how it's arrogance to expect a return on investment.

And I don't think somebody really deserves a ton of credit for taking the quality of players we have to a middling position. And when you look at how wide open things have been this year, and how many points we've dropped, then yeah, I find it pretty disappointing.

Also, why would I care what other club's supporters think of me? Just seems an odd thing to include.


Your still missing the point, the bottam of the league is were we where. Nothing to do with if we should of been there or not, its a fact - we were there. Many thought relegation was more than just a possibility, and when you are down there it can be extremely difficult to pull away from. So Harry doesn't deserve credit beacuse we were at the bottam of the table and we shouldn't of been there?! Investment is not the only ingredient that brings success (which we prove as a Club time and time again), so lets keep things in perspective here. We were in a terrible position and he did well in the second half of the season to ensure we pulled away. Impressive and back to back victories over Villa and Chelsea saw us free of any relegation fears thereafter. I am not saying that Harry has been the messiah but just beacuse we have hit a blip all this comes flying out of the woodwork. He has his failings but to not give him credit at all is an appraisal that is somewhat limited.

Are we in a middling position? Have we been in a middling position all season?...er, no. What on earth do you mean by a middling position! That implies beween 8th and 13th say. The reason why the league is so wide open is beacause its so competitive, and that means its wide open for quite a few teams, not just ourselves. You say it like its only us who could take advantage.

[Apples]

You only need to look at some of the improvements in our players since Redknapp took over:

Lennon
Dawson
Huddlestone
King (seems to be utilising better than most have)
Modric
Bale (lately)
Ekotto
Gomes

Purchasing:
Defoe

How you dont believe Redknapp has done a good job in beyond me - you must have your heads up your asses!

[biffspur]

harry has done a good job,no doubt in my mind we would be in the championship this season were it not for him and we should all be gratefull to him for that BUT....he is not the man to take us to the champs league we will remain a top 6 side[at best]as long as he is here.i dont see him here for much longer though,the revenue are up his backside for the last couple years and ive a feelin they wont stop 'til they get him.if he is found guilty he will have to be sacked in which case i think we should get klinsman-did a good job with a mediocre german team.i know he wasnt a success at bayern but how could he be with beckenbauer calling the shots there?either way i honestly think levy should have a back-up plan in place in case harry winds up in an orange jumpsuit in the near future

[Antilokhos]

Your still missing the point, the bottam of the league is were we where. Nothing to do with if we should of been there or not, its a fact - we were there. Many thought relegation was more than just a possibility, and when you are down there it can be extremely difficult to pull away from. So Harry doesn't deserve credit beacuse we were at the bottam of the table and we shouldn't of been there?! Investment is not the only ingredient that brings success (which we prove as a Club time and time again), so lets keep things in perspective here. We were in a terrible position and he did well in the second half of the season to ensure we pulled away. Impressive and back to back victories over Villa and Chelsea saw us free of any relegation fears thereafter. I am not saying that Harry has been the messiah but just beacuse we have hit a blip all this comes flying out of the woodwork. He has his failings but to not give him credit at all is an appraisal that is somewhat limited.

Are we in a middling position? Have we been in a middling position all season?...er, no. What on earth do you mean by a middling position! That implies beween 8th and 13th say. The reason why the league is so wide open is beacause its so competitive, and that means its wide open for quite a few teams, not just ourselves. You say it like its only us who could take advantage.

I'm just not sure that bottom of the league was where we were going to stay, regardless of who was manager. I mean, we had a pretty good squad. Combined with the normal boost in performance when a new manager takes over, I don't think we were in as much danger as you seem to (once the board decided to make their move that is). Since I don't think our position was as bad as you do, then I don't think Harry Redknapp deserves as much credit as you do.

Clearly investment isn't the only key to success in football. But I think we can all agree that being able to spend money should certainly make it easier. I'm sure a (very) well run team like Everton would love to be in our financial position. I'm not going to be happy when I feel we fail to take advantage of our biggest positive. And I do think stability is very important for the club to take that next step. While I was not a fan of Redknapp's hiring then, don't think he's done a particularly good job (not a bad job either, just not a good one), and I don't think he's the man to take us forward, I still don't think he should be fired. I'm certainly willing to give him some time to build his team, I don't think you can judge a manager until they've had three years of being able to shape their team, their way. (Barring extraordinary circumstances.)

As for the middling position, you are correct sir, that was hyperbole on my part and uncalled for. In my defense though, we are one Aston Villa game in hand away from being very close to the way you defined "middling position".

[Antilokhos]

You only need to look at some of the improvements in our players since Redknapp took over:

Lennon
Dawson
Huddlestone
King (seems to be utilising better than most have)
Modric
Bale (lately)
Ekotto
Gomes

Purchasing:
Defoe

How you dont believe Redknapp has done a good job in beyond me - you must have your heads up your asses!

If you want to give Harry credit for these players developing as they have, then you also need to give him blame for the players who have not developed as we had hoped under Redknapp's reign (dos Santos, Taarabt, Bostock, Prince-Boateng). Can't have it both ways brother.

Same with purchasing Defoe, he's got to take the blame for Crouch then. Although I think his better success was the Niko deal, in terms of cost/benefit.

King seems to feature as frequently under Redknapp as he did under Ramos. 27 appearances in the 06-07 season, 29 last year. Although to be fair, King's fitness is out of anybody's control at this point. No real blame either way that way. I'd love for him to take a trip to Phoenix in the offseason and spend some time with the Phoenix Suns training staff. They seem to work magic with the NBA players.

[olly27]

I'm just not sure that bottom of the league was where we were going to stay, regardless of who was manager. I mean, we had a pretty good squad. Combined with the normal boost in performance when a new manager takes over, I don't think we were in as much danger as you seem to (once the board decided to make their move that is). Since I don't think our position was as bad as you do, then I don't think Harry Redknapp deserves as much credit as you do.

Clearly investment isn't the only key to success in football. But I think we can all agree that being able to spend money should certainly make it easier. I'm sure a (very) well run team like Everton would love to be in our financial position. I'm not going to be happy when I feel we fail to take advantage of our biggest positive. And I do think stability is very important for the club to take that next step. While I was not a fan of Redknapp's hiring then, don't think he's done a particularly good job (not a bad job either, just not a good one), and I don't think he's the man to take us forward, I still don't think he should be fired. I'm certainly willing to give him some time to build his team, I don't think you can judge a manager until they've had three years of being able to shape their team, their way. (Barring extraordinary circumstances.)

As for the middling position, you are correct sir, that was hyperbole on my part and uncalled for. In my defense though, we are one Aston Villa game in hand away from being very close to the way you defined "middling position".


Any sort of 'middling position' last season was a result in terms of how many points we had after 8 games. We were bottam of the league and were in a dire state which I think you are obviously underestimating.Being in a dogfight in English football can be extremely difficult. Had Ramos stayed the chances of relegation would of been greater, so to say we would of got out of it no matter who the manager was is misguided, and the Board certainly didn't have your confidence...or why pay Pompey 5 million to secure Redknapp and pay Ramos a hefty severance package. I think you underestimate the role Redknapp played, or perhaps the job itself which was required to get us out of trouble, and Harry has been a victim of his own success in that regard.

Redknapp was the absolute ideal candidate to get us out of the mess we were in with the vast amounts of experience he has, having been in numerous similar positions through the years. In the end he made it look relatively easy, so don't be fooled by that - its his area of expertise. He also thrives on being the 'underdog'.

Of course money plays a big part but stability is just as important. In order to get the most out of your investment you need stability first and foremost. Everton are a good example, as they have stability but lack the financial muscle to kick on. We have the financial muscle but crave stability more than anything. A balance that needs correcting, from our point of view, if we are to seriously challenge at the top end.

If you dont think he 'has done a particularly good job' you are judging him by the way, no harm in that its your opinion. I just find it quite coincidental in terms of the timing, I mean given now we have had a blip. You do realise we have been in the top 4 for practically the whole of the season?


So you dont want him fired, and you dont want to judge him yet, and yet you dont think he is the man to take us forward. Sounds like your sitting on fence to me and then if it goes wrong you can say, conveniently, that you knew he wasn't good enough!

But I agree with you in that respect, I dont think he can take us much further but still wouldn't dismiss his efforts. That would be remiss of me, I think he has done a good job but I doubt whether he can go any futher and take it to the next level - hoping I am wrong on that one.

[olly27]

If you want to give Harry credit for these players developing as they have, then you also need to give him blame for the players who have not developed as we had hoped under Redknapp's reign (dos Santos, Taarabt, Bostock, Prince-Boateng). Can't have it both ways brother.

Same with purchasing Defoe, he's got to take the blame for Crouch then. Although I think his better success was the Niko deal, in terms of cost/benefit.

King seems to feature as frequently under Redknapp as he did under Ramos. 27 appearances in the 06-07 season, 29 last year. Although to be fair, King's fitness is out of anybody's control at this point. No real blame either way that way. I'd love for him to take a trip to Phoenix in the offseason and spend some time with the Phoenix Suns training staff. They seem to work magic with the NBA players.

Not like for like situations..lol. For a start GDS, Taarabt, KPB were never first team regulars. So none of us have seen these guys play enough to be making educated guesses on whether they can really cut it at this level. KPB looked lively for Pompey but has faded, GDS we never saw enough of due to having a bad attitude, apparently and Taarabt has plenty of skill but again did not see enough of him.


Lennon, Gomes, BAE etc are. Even Dawson has played way more first team football that the guys you list. So that comparison is way off, but two names you didn't mention were Pav and Ohara. A mystery as to why the former hasn't had more chances, and Ohara has been brillant for Pompey and I supposse Harry couldn't gurantee him enough starts. Anyway not sure if that is a mistake as the lad is getting invaluable experience, but I certainly wouldn't mind having him back. A good player with a big heart IMO.

On balance he has got far more right than wrong in terms of kicking players on. Ekotto's improvement has just been remarkable, as to Gomes, and Lennon is in the form of his life due to having some end product.

Its funny how Harry has improved certain players who have the better attitudes.

You think his better deal was the Niko one, well no doubt - it was purchase of the season.

[Antilokhos]

Maybe I am a bit too harsh on him. I always liked Ramos too, it just seems Comolli undercut him so much to where he had to go. But I'm not trying to sit on the fence on Redknapp, I just think it takes a manager 2 years to make the team HIS team and then the third season is the season where you need to see progress. So while I'm not particularly hopeful for that progress to be adequate, he still needs a chance to show it.

I think the closest parallels are probably Bale, Lennon, and dos Santos. All came to Spurs fairly highly regarded. All have shown the talent and potential they have, in a Spurs shirt and in their countries shirt before Redknapp showed up. I think we all were excited at what these players could become. Lennon is coming along as we had hoped, Bale is showing flashes, although it took an injury/African Cup of Nations for Harry to give him a chance, and so far dos Santos has been disappointing for the club. I'd say that's more of a mixed bag than anything, and I'm not sure how much of the credit or blame can be lain at Harry's feet.

[olly27]

Maybe I am a bit too harsh on him. I always liked Ramos too, it just seems Comolli undercut him so much to where he had to go. But I'm not trying to sit on the fence on Redknapp, I just think it takes a manager 2 years to make the team HIS team and then the third season is the season where you need to see progress. So while I'm not particularly hopeful for that progress to be adequate, he still needs a chance to show it.
I think the closest parallels are probably Bale, Lennon, and dos Santos. All came to Spurs fairly highly regarded. All have shown the talent and potential they have, in a Spurs shirt and in their countries shirt before Redknapp showed up. I think we all were excited at what these players could become. Lennon is coming along as we had hoped, Bale is showing flashes, although it took an injury/African Cup of Nations for Harry to give him a chance, and so far dos Santos has been disappointing for the club. I'd say that's more of a mixed bag than anything, and I'm not sure how much of the credit or blame can be lain at Harry's feet.


Thats a much better way of putting it IMO.

You cant blame Harry for GDS showing a poor attitude though. Lennon has had far more games than GDS, infact GDS hasn't played enough in a Spurs shirt to show the public what he can really do. Lennon has time and time again, and this year he has gone from good to super status, as he has far more end product.