Choda, he did it again mate...

[Gino Ginelli]

... http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_5661837,00.html

:001_rolleyes:

[Rojoknapp]

It says Steve Finnan is a big name exclusion - I was sure he had retired from international football?

[choda]

He's an oddball and a bit of a c*nt.

[Rojoknapp]

He's an oddball and a bit of a c*nt.

I know, yes, that the season is yet young and we shouldn't be making rash judgements or predictions - but I am utterly confident that this is the most ridiculous, senseless, stupid post of the season. Congratulations :stupid:

[choda]

I know, yes, that the season is yet young and we shouldn't be making rash judgements or predictions - but I am utterly confident that this is the most ridiculous, senseless, stupid post of the season. Congratulations :stupid:

Ha? Come again kid?

Trap is an oddball and a c*nt. Anyone who would leave Reid out of an Irish squad is an oddball and a c*nt. He's shafting everyone for his own pettyness, he's a tosser.

At the very least, bare minimium, if we are losing having Reid on the bench is useful. He also left out Stephen Reid, f*cking oddball.

And he'll bore everyone to f*cking tears, that's not football. We are a shite team and I only hope we win so that he sees sense or one of the central midfielders actually shows some leadership and adds key ingredients the manager insists on not instilling.

If I had a crystal ball and nothing changes in the future then I hope France hockey us because this is no good for anyone. It's a joke, who gives a shit. Scrimping out 0-0, that's not football, who gives a shit?

Football is far better off if France make it.

I'd be a hypocrite if I supported this nonsense. It goes against almost everything I believe football is about.

He's brought work rate, confidence and organisation, fair play to him. Very well done on that score, but the rest of it is shambles, oddball and he's letting badly everyone down, partly because he's a stubborn c*nt who'd rather piss everyone off to show he's the boss than put the team first.

[TURKISH]

I'm with Stephen Ireland on this...........who cares.:001_tt1::001_tt1::001_tt1:

[Rojoknapp]

Ha? Come again kid?

Trap is an oddball and a c*nt. Anyone who would leave Reid out of an Irish squad is an oddball and a c*nt. He's shafting everyone for his own pettyness, he's a tosser.

At the very least, bare minimium, if we are losing having Reid on the bench is useful. He also left out Stephen Reid, f*cking oddball.

And he'll bore everyone to f*cking tears, that's not football. We are a shite team and I only hope we win so that he sees sense or one of the central midfielders actually shows some leadership and adds key ingredients the manager insists on not instilling.

If I had a crystal ball and nothing changes in the future then I hope France hockey us because this is no good for anyone. It's a joke, who gives a shit. Scrimping out 0-0, that's not football, who gives a shit?

Football is far better off if France make it.

I'd be a hypocrite if I supported this nonsense. It goes against almost everything I believe football is about.

He's brought work rate, confidence and organisation, fair play to him. Very well done on that score, but the rest of it is shambles, oddball and he's letting badly everyone down, partly because he's a stubborn c*nt who'd rather piss everyone off to show he's the boss than put the team first.

What the hell has being stubborn got to do with it? Do you mean that he's being stubborn in refusing to change the team that was unbeaten in the qualifiers? Sticking with the team who qualified with a home game to spare? Yeah, radical managing techniques there, what an oddball. What a c*nt, getting us within 180 minutes of the World Cup.

[choda]

What the hell has being stubborn got to do with it? Do you mean that he's being stubborn in refusing to change the team that was unbeaten in the qualifiers? Sticking with the team who qualified with a home game to spare? Yeah, radical managing techniques there, what an oddball. What a c*nt, getting us within 180 minutes of the World Cup.

You just don't get it.

Work rate, organisation and purpose can take you very far, especially when you also have a number of very good footballers.

But leaving out players that clearly should be in your team and refusing to play football means you are leaving an awful lot on the table as well, and that, to me is unacceptable.

The confusion comes from the fact that we've had a whole host of awful to decent coaches, no one good like he is, but he's far from special and he's way behind the times. He'd be far more successful both in the pass back era and in a club job where you can work around a big lack of flexibility.

He's putting a great limit on the potential and how far this team can go by his tactics and selection, it's also desperate to watch so who gives a shit?

For two million a year you'd expect a lot more.

I wish we could clone Harry, no silly beggers with him, no oddball behaviour, common sense tactics and selection and no being a c*nt.

I'd even prefer if they brought back Mick, I'd say he'd do just as well or better than Trap in international football and at least we'd play football.

We're going nowhere, badly managed as per usual and now its also horrible to watch. If it's horrible to watch then who gives a shit. Football is a metaphor, it's supposed to be inspiring.

It's a worthless event for your own fans if you don't try to play football the way you can, even Staunton had use playing some football. I thought every spurs fan thought like this until I came on this board and meet people who could stomach the way Trappatoni is managing Ireland and criticise Barcelona. :stupid:

[Rojoknapp]

You just don't get it.

Work rate, organisation and purpose can take you very far, especially when you also have a number of very good footballers.

But leaving out players that clearly should be in your team and refusing to play football means you are leaving an awful lot on the table as well, and that, to me is unacceptable.

The confusion comes from the fact that we've had a whole host of awful to decent coaches, no one good like he is, but he's far from special and he's way behind the times. He'd be far more successful both in the pass back era and in a club job where you can work around a big lack of flexibility.

He's putting a great limit on the potential and how far this team can go by his tactics and selection, it's also desperate to watch so who gives a shit?

For two million a year you'd expect a lot more.

I wish we could clone Harry, no silly beggers with him, no oddball behaviour, common sense tactics and selection and no being a c*nt.

I'd even prefer if they brought back Mick, I'd say he'd do just as well or better than Trap in international football and at least we'd play football.

We're going nowhere, badly managed as per usual and now its also horrible to watch. If it's horrible to watch then who gives a shit. Football is a metaphor, it's supposed to be inspiring.

It's a worthless event for your own fans if you don't try to play football the way you can, even Staunton had use playing some football. I thought every spurs fan thought like this until I came on this board and meet people who could stomach the way Trappatoni is managing Ireland and criticise Barcelona. :stupid:

No, you don't get it. Being a purist is all well and good when you support Spurs or Barcelona, who have world class resources and players. I just don't understand who you think Ireland are. We are not good enough to play like Spurs. We don't have good enough players. And how you can use Staunton as an example is baffling - clearly you have forgotten what happened in Cyprus in one of Staunton's last games? And maybe you forget that we conceded a goal to San Marino? And that it took us until stoppage time to scrape past them 2-1? You just have to realise that this is the most effective way Ireland can play.

[choda]

No, you don't get it. Being a purist is all well and good when you support Spurs or Barcelona, who have world class resources and players. I just don't understand who you think Ireland are. We are not good enough to play like Spurs. We don't have good enough players. And how you can use Staunton as an example is baffling - clearly you have forgotten what happened in Cyprus in one of Staunton's last games? And maybe you forget that we conceded a goal to San Marino? And that it took us until stoppage time to scrape past them 2-1? You just have to realise that this is the most effective way Ireland can play.

Yet again you are missing the point. There is what you do with the ball and there is what you do without the ball.

Staunton couldn't organise the team without the ball, which is suicide. He did appear to have the right ideas with the ball, but without a foundation you will collapse and in the end you lose everything as confidence goes with the results.

Ireland do have good players, it's your shortsightedness that's means you don't see potential. Same as when spurs were bottom, I said this is still a top six side with one or two alterations. Few agreed.

And this is really besides the point anyway. Playing football is also the best way to get results, when you HAVE the ball. Playing aimless balls over the midfield means the ball is continually coming back your end, you have no control over the game and you are always liable to concede. It just a grindfest.

Shocking that you don't see basics. Even more shocking that we pay a guy 2 million a year and he misses them and leaves out clearly better players.

By the way take a look at where Ireland have finished in their groups even under horrible managers and we've never had a top manager. It is 2nd, 3rd, 2nd, 3rd over and over. Trap is not doing anything special and we were in a shit group. Bulgaria were a circus and they still played us off the park as we handed them midfield and the ball tactically and in team selection in the two games and we were dead lucky to get draws.

Really basic stuff this.

[Rojoknapp]

Yet again you are missing the point. There is what you do with the ball and there is what you do without the ball.

Staunton couldn't organise the team without the ball, which is suicide. He did appear to have the right ideas with the ball, but without a foundation you will collapse and in the end you lose everything as confidence goes with the results.

Ireland do have good players, it's your shortsightedness that's means you don't see potential. Same as when spurs were bottom, I said this is still a top six side with one or two alterations. Few agreed.

And this is really besides the point anyway. Playing football is also the best way to get results, when you HAVE the ball. Playing aimless balls over the midfield means the ball is continually coming back your end, you have no control over the game and you are always liable to concede. It just a grindfest.

Shocking that you don't see basics. Even more shocking that we pay a guy 2 million a year and he misses them and leaves out clearly better players.

By the way take a look at where Ireland have finished in their groups even under horrible managers and we've never had a top manager. It is 2nd, 3rd, 2nd, 3rd over and over. Trap is not doing anything special and we were in a shit group. Bulgaria were a circus and they still played us off the park as we handed them midfield and the ball tactically and in team selection in the two games and we were dead lucky to get draws.

Really basic stuff this.

You can't compare Ireland to Spurs ffs! How many times - Spurs have much better players! Yes, Ireland do have some good players, but not enough to play effectively in the Spurs style. Try telling Stoke and Tony Pulis that they are missing the basics, and that playing football is the most effective way. We are pretty much the Stoke of the international football world, just a bit better.

[choda]

You can't compare Ireland to Spurs ffs! How many times - Spurs have much better players! Yes, Ireland do have some good players, but not enough to play effectively in the Spurs style. Try telling Stoke and Tony Pulis that they are missing the basics, and that playing football is the most effective way. We are pretty much the Stoke of the international football world, just a bit better.

I wasn't comparing directly though if you got our full team out there would not be a huge gulf.

You are the type of fan I can't comprehend, deeply shortsighted. We are nothing like Stoke who have no real quality. Northern Ireland are the Stoke, Healy is the only one that is quality for them.

And you don't have to play like that. Have a talk with Roberto Martinez and tell him he can only play like Stoke. See what he says. And observe which way has more potential.

The premier league is different for a start. It is fast paced and the ball is given away a lot. It's the only country you can get away with those tactics and it will only get you so far. It is also God awful to watch, so who gives a shit?

The worst thing about Trappatoni is he even leaves OUT his better players because of ideology and petty issues. So no matter the system you choose you still find a way to pick your better players and get the most from it.

[TURKISH]

I use to keep up with the ongoings of the Irish national side, but since they became bottle jobs I started to turn my attention to Northern Ireland.

But Rojo has made some very informative posts in this thread and I tend to agree with him. Do you watch all the games Rojo? You seem to know the setup very well and have a sensible view of how far Ireland have come since the dark days since Mick's sacking.

Do you think they have a chance?

[Rojoknapp]

I use to keep up with the ongoings of the Irish national side, but since they became bottle jobs I started to turn my attention to Northern Ireland.

But Rojo has made some very informative posts in this thread and I tend to agree with him. Do you watch all the games Rojo? You seem to know the setup very well and have a sensible view of how far Ireland have come since the dark days since Mick's sacking.

Do you think they have a chance?

I do watch all the games, Mick leaving was a dark day indeed, and we have come incredibly far since then :001_smile:

Some of the results and the football was pretty diabolical under Kerr and Staunton, all the more disappointing after the way McCarthy had made us so hard to beat - particularly at Landsdowne, we were immense.

As for France, we definitely have a chance - if Senegal and Scotland can do it, why not us? Admittedly, a very slim chance I'm afraid, but if we could just nick a 1-0 win at Croke Park then who knows. I do worry about our inability to hold onto a lead though, we couldn't even concentrate against Italy for 5 minutes :cursing: My other worry is that Keane, Dunne and Duff - our three best outfield players of recent years are passing or past their best - we may not have another chance as good as this one to qualify...

[TURKISH]

I do watch all the games, Mick leaving was a dark day indeed, and we have come incredibly far since then :001_smile:

Some of the results and the football was pretty diabolical under Kerr and Staunton, all the more disappointing after the way McCarthy had made us so hard to beat - particularly at Landsdowne, we were immense.

As for France, we definitely have a chance - if Senegal and Scotland can do it, why not us? Admittedly, a very slim chance I'm afraid, but if we could just nick a 1-0 win at Croke Park then who knows. I do worry about our inability to hold onto a lead though, we couldn't even concentrate against Italy for 5 minutes :cursing: My other worry is that Keane, Dunne and Duff - our three best outfield players of recent years are passing or past their best - we may not have another chance as good as this one to qualify...

Such a shame Ireland have wasted the last four years because you do have some fantastic players who were primed then.

I think Keane and Dunne can play a massive part in qualify for the Euro's. Such a shame a talent like Stephen Ireland doesn't want to play for his country or trapp. But you need to bring some more young talented players through because as you said your key players are getting old.

[choda]

I use to keep up with the ongoings of the Irish national side, but since they became bottle jobs I started to turn my attention to Northern Ireland.

But Rojo has made some very informative posts in this thread and I tend to agree with him. Do you watch all the games Rojo? You seem to know the setup very well and have a sensible view of how far Ireland have come since the dark days since Mick's sacking.

Do you think they have a chance?

Informative me arse. The comments you hear about Trap progressing us are only because his predecessors were Kerr and Staunton. He's done f*ck all so far, but finish ahead of a Bulgarian side all over the place and where Berbatov was playing badly until very late on and Petrov was injured and not match fit also until the very end. You could get decent for 300,000 a year, not 2 million, and you'd also have all your best players.

You'd certainly have the two Reids anyway. Rojo doesn't live in Ireland, he probably doesn't hear all of what goes on and he gets the brilliant sky sports view on it (if you think they are shit when it comes to the premier league).

[TURKISH]

Informative me arse. The comments you hear about Trap progressing us are only because his predecessors were Kerr and Staunton. He's done f*ck all so far, but finish ahead of a Bulgarian side all over the place and where Berbatov was playing badly until very late on and Petrov was injured and not match fit also until the very end. You could get decent for 300,000 a year, not 2 million, and you'd also have all your best players.

You'd certainly have the two Reids anyway. Rojo doesn't live in Ireland, he probably doesn't hear all of what goes on and he gets the brilliant sky sports view on it (if you think they are shit when it comes to the premier league).

There's no need to attack the young fella just because I believe out of the two of you he's talking more sense. Just my opinion but don't attack the young fella.

[choda]

There's no need to attack the young fella just because I believe out of the two of you he's talking more sense. Just my opinion but don't attack the young fella.

"I know, yes, that the season is yet young and we shouldn't be making rash judgements or predictions - but I am utterly confident that this is the most ridiculous, senseless, stupid post of the season. Congratulations :stupid:"

He went down that road and made the debate like that. That's not how I prefer debates. I don't care what age he is if you insult someone for no reason then you can expect the return.

Have you ever seen me make a post like that for no good reason? No, never. Or if I realised I was out of order and started something unpleasant I'd hold my hands up.

I wasn't hurt by it but if he wants it that way then that's fine.

[TURKISH]

"I know, yes, that the season is yet young and we shouldn't be making rash judgements or predictions - but I am utterly confident that this is the most ridiculous, senseless, stupid post of the season. Congratulations :stupid:"

He went down that road and made the debate like that. That's not how I prefer debates. I don't care what age he is if you insult someone for no reason then you aren't exempt from the return.

Have you ever seen me make a post like that for no good reason? No, never. Or if I realised I was out of order and started something unpleasant I'd hold my hands up.

I wasn't hurt by it but if he wants it that way then that's fine.

But you attacked him after the debate was over between you guys just because I agreed with him. I'm appalled quite frankly.

[choda]

But you attacked him after the debate was over between you guys just because I agreed with him. I'm appalled quite frankly.

I said he was informative me arse on this thread. Heavy :tongue:. He made comments to me from nowhere.

Appalled? Are you drunk?

Have you seen the unmitigated abuse Earl has been dishing out to all and sundry and mainly me. A guy who is supposedly on his last warning. That's a brilliant warning.

How about addressing some real issues instead of commenting on a nothing argument? I've nothing against Rojo, I don't think he was very polite or right in this instance, but it's no real problem. I'd have time for him, in general I think he is good debater, even though we often disagree.

[TURKISH]

Anyway thanks for your views on Irish football Rojo, good to hear from someone who is close to the situation,.

[Rojoknapp]

Anyway thanks for your views on Irish football Rojo, good to hear from someone who is close to the situation,.

No worries, I love an audience :001_smile:

And Choda, I'm sorry, my first post was a bit narky but I just don't like to hear an Irishman of all people call Trap a c*nt after all I believe he has done. You say he has only progressed on Staunton and Kerr, but what else is there to progress on? He can only improve on what went before him can't he?

[Yido]

You just don't get it.

Football is a metaphor, it's supposed to be inspiring.

It's a worthless event for your own fans if you don't try to play football the way you can, even Staunton had use playing some football. I thought every spurs fan thought like this until I came on this board and meet people who could stomach the way Trappatoni is managing Ireland and criticise Barcelona. :stupid:

BS!!

All you did was jump on a bandwagon (someone on here said that) started by gomessi (who was previously known as juandes soldier) and you basically copied whatever he said about la liga/spanish football team. I've looked through the forum and there was a thread started where gm literally was wanking himself blind before a Barca game....you only started after man u got beat in the final.

[Gino Ginelli]

I believe that Ireland could probably do with a couple of playmakers in their team, such as Andy Reid and Stephen Ireland. I understand wanting to stick with a winning formula as far as the starting XI goes, but if there are qulaity players such as AR and Finnan etc available to you, they should at least be in the squad. For example, he'll not start anymore, but Becks still gets in the England squad, because it's important to have the qulaity if you need it.

The SI situation continually baffles me, as he's a good player, has a real chance to shine on the international stage, and anyone who refuses to represent their country (surely the dream every footballer wants to fulfill) is blitheringly stupid to me.

But the comments made in regard to Trappatoni still leave me staggered. You could try and build a team around a playmaker like Reid, but Ireland don't have good enough players in the rest of the park to make the system work. The dogged, highly organised approach that they've been using is going to be the most successful as a team, just as Greece proved in 2004.

But I would still be including them in the squad.

[Yido]

I believe that Ireland could probably do with a couple of playmakers in their team, such as Andy Reid and Stephen Ireland. I understand wanting to stick with a winning formula as far as the starting XI goes, but if there are qulaity players such as AR and Finnan etc available to you, they should at least be in the squad. For example, he'll not start anymore, but Becks still gets in the England squad, because it's important to have the qulaity if you need it.

The SI situation continually baffles me, as he's a good player, has a real chance to shine on the international stage, and anyone who refuses to represent their country (surely the dream every footballer wants to fulfill) is blitheringly stupid to me.

But the comments made in regard to Trappatoni still leave me staggered. You could try and build a team around a playmaker like Reid, but Ireland don't have good enough players in the rest of the park to make the system work. The dogged, highly organised approach that they've been using is going to be the most successful as a team, just as Greece proved in 2004.

But I would still be including them in the squad.

In fairness it is only choda. Rojo seems to understand Ireland are no England and they have no one close to world class!!

[choda]

In fairness it is only choda. Rojo seems to understand Ireland are no England and they have no one close to world class!!

You don't even rate Modric you wouldn't come even close to getting my argument.

[choda]

I believe that Ireland could probably do with a couple of playmakers in their team, such as Andy Reid and Stephen Ireland. I understand wanting to stick with a winning formula as far as the starting XI goes, but if there are qulaity players such as AR and Finnan etc available to you, they should at least be in the squad. For example, he'll not start anymore, but Becks still gets in the England squad, because it's important to have the qulaity if you need it.

The SI situation continually baffles me, as he's a good player, has a real chance to shine on the international stage, and anyone who refuses to represent their country (surely the dream every footballer wants to fulfill) is blitheringly stupid to me.

But the comments made in regard to Trappatoni still leave me staggered. You could try and build a team around a playmaker like Reid, but Ireland don't have good enough players in the rest of the park to make the system work. The dogged, highly organised approach that they've been using is going to be the most successful as a team, just as Greece proved in 2004.

But I would still be including them in the squad.

Jesus, this is hopeless... Greece. You don't have to be Greece. Greece won the euros, I still don't know how, they had three extraordinary pieces of luck and hit the good sides at a time when none of them were at the races. And Greece are still shit. That's not winning to me, it's just bullshit.

And we have better players than them, much better if we could get them out on the pitch.

It's just a very English opinion to not recognise a good team/players from Ireland, Wales or Scotland and where there is potential.

As I keep saying if you compare the players we have produced to Czech it is pretty similar we do produce good players and you do NOT have to progressively get uglier the less you 'stars' have to work with and the less deep your pool of players. I'm appalled that idea is being promolugucated on a spurs website.

And England actually have a deeply imbalanced squad and they are still going nowhere imo.

Ireland have good players and could at least compete.

[choda]

BS!!

All you did was jump on a bandwagon (someone on here said that) started by gomessi (who was previously known as juandes soldier) and you basically copied whatever he said about la liga/spanish football team. I've looked through the forum and there was a thread started where gm literally was wanking himself blind before a Barca game....you only started after man u got beat in the final.

I don't know how your brain works, but I'll try to make out what I think you are saying.

I copy Gomessi. Okaaay... I've been on here a lot longer than GM and I've always had the same philosophy. You can ask the long term members about that, Milo etc.

Before GM was even on here I said Frank's Barca was the best club side I'd ever seen when they won the double. Then Frank couldn't motivate them and they turned into a circus, but that's beside the point. This Barca team is better and don't look like losing their way.

[Gino Ginelli]

No, I think in an admirably patriotic way, you are over-estimating the ability of your players. You cannot play like Argentina, you cannot play like the Czech Republic for that matter, because dream as you like, you don't have players as good as Rosicky, Poborsky, Nedved or that fvcking behemoth they had up front when they got to a semi-final in 2004. Nothing about that opinion is influenced by national pride or xenophobia thanks. It's based on footballing perception.

Ireland are playing to their strengths. Accept it, and be happy when you out-manuevere the French.

And how did Greece win the European Cup? By taking a limited set of players, with one or two cutting-edge 'stars' as you put it in, and an outstanding goalkeeper, and sticking to their very organised gameplan. Stopped the opposition first, then sneaked a goal. Sound familiar?

If it works it works. Chucking Andy Reid in isn't going to suddenly turn you into Brazil, it could compromise the tactics. I think he should be there, but if you have a winning formula, which you do, then there's no need to fix what doesn't work.

[choda]

No, I think in an admirably patriotic way, you are over-estimating the ability of your players. You cannot play like Argentina, you cannot play like the Czech Republic for that matter, because dream as you like, you don't have players as good as Rosicky, Poborsky, Nedved or that fvcking behemoth they had up front when they got to a semi-final in 2004. Nothing about that opinion is influenced by national pride or xenophobia thanks. It's based on footballing perception.

Ireland are playing to their strengths. Accept it, and be happy when you out-manuevere the French.

And how did Greece win the European Cup? By taking a limited set of players, with one or two cutting-edge 'stars' as you put it in, and an outstanding goalkeeper, and sticking to their very organised gameplan. Stopped the opposition first, then sneaked a goal. Sound familiar?

If it works it works. Chucking Andy Reid in isn't going to suddenly turn you into Brazil, it could compromise the tactics. I think he should be there, but if you have a winning formula, which you do, then there's no need to fix what doesn't work.

You ARE being disrespectful. I gave a list of players that compared EXACTLY the same as the players the Czech produced but just because they have a fancier name they are better or something. It's hogwash and very annoying.

How on earth is it not a good point that in terms of quality:
Nedved=Roy Keane
Koller=Robbie Keane
Rosicky=Stephan Ireland
Baros=Duff (generous on my part imo)
Cech=Given
Dunne and JoS=their good seria A defenders
And Andy Reid could really flourish at that level

You are just biased or clinging to your argument if you won't accept that we HAVE produced the same quality as the Czech.

It's just very easy to look at it and say 'yea, they haven't played well, therefore limited'. Well, sometimes you can't play well because you are mismanaged and even through all the awful mismanagement we still finished 3rd in the groups.

As for my supposed lack of objectivity, well that's rubbish as well. I will always state what I think is true. There have been times when I've said spurs are second rate and a bottom half side, I just don't believe that right now. There have also been times with Ireland, like now, where if you are only putting Whelan and Andrews in I am saying that this team is no good and going nowhere.

The frustrating thing is that is not how it has to be.

I remember saying last year when spurs were bottom that we were still a team of top 8 quality. People said, 'what the f*ck are you on about?'. It's shortsightedness.

[TURKISH]

You ARE being disrespectful. I gave a list of players that compared EXACTLY the same as the players the Czech produced but just because they have a fancier name they are better or something. It's hogwash and very annoying.

How on earth is it not a good point that in terms of quality:
Nedved=Roy Keane
Koller=Robbie Keane
Rosicky=Stephan Ireland
Baros=Duff (generous on my part imo)
Cech=Given
Dunne and JoS=their good seria A defenders
And Andy Reid could really flourish at that level

You are just biased or clinging to your argument if you won't accept that we HAVE produced the same quality as the Czech.

It's just very easy to look at it and say 'yea, they haven't played well, therefore limited'. Well, sometimes you can't play well because you are mismanaged and even through all the awful mismanagement we still finished 3rd in the groups.

As for my supposed lack of objectivity, well that's rubbish as well. I will always state what I think is true. There have been times when I've said spurs are second rate and a bottom half side, I just don't believe that right now. There have also been times with Ireland, like now, where if you are only putting Whelan and Andrews in I am saying that this team is no good and going nowhere.

The frustrating thing is that is not how it has to be.

I remember saying last year when spurs were bottom that we were still a team of top 8 quality. People said, 'what the f*ck are you on about?'. It's shortsightedness.

Mmmm I wanna hear what Rojo has to say about this, he is very clued up on the Irish National side.

[Gino Ginelli]

You ARE being disrespectful. I gave a list of players that compared EXACTLY the same as the players the Czech produced but just because they have a fancier name they are better or something. It's hogwash and very annoying.

How on earth is it not a good point that in terms of quality:
Nedved=Roy Keane
Koller=Robbie Keane
Rosicky=Stephan Ireland
Baros=Duff (generous on my part imo)
Cech=Given
Dunne and JoS=their good seria A defenders
And Andy Reid could really flourish at that level

You are just biased or clinging to your argument if you won't accept that we HAVE produced the same quality as the Czech.

It's just very easy to look at it and say 'yea, they haven't played well, therefore limited'. Well, sometimes you can't play well because you are mismanaged and even through all the awful mismanagement we still finished 3rd in the groups.

As for my supposed lack of objectivity, well that's rubbish as well. I will always state what I think is true. There have been times when I've said spurs are second rate and a bottom half side, I just don't believe that right now. There have also been times with Ireland, like now, where if you are only putting Whelan and Andrews in I am saying that this team is no good and going nowhere.

The frustrating thing is that is not how it has to be.

I remember saying last year when spurs were bottom that we were still a team of top 8 quality. People said, 'what the f*ck are you on about?'. It's shortsightedness.

First, we're not talking about Spurs, so stop confusing the issue. We're focusing on Ireland.

Second you are comparing a team from 2002 with a team from 2004. Again we are talking about the current Irish squad, and the players available.

You don't have Roy Keane anymore. His namesake is half the player he was a year and a half ago. S.Ireland is a tit and won't play for his country. Duff is also a shadow of the player who terrorised full-backs 7 years ago.

Your current team does not compare to the 2004 czech republic team, if that's what you are doing.

And how am I being disrespectful? I'm saying it as I see it, as you yourself claim to do.

[choda]

First, we're not talking about Spurs, so stop confusing the issue. We're focusing on Ireland.

Second you are comparing a team from 2002 with a team from 2004. Again we are talking about the current Irish squad, and the players available.

You don't have Roy Keane anymore. His namesake is half the player he was a year and a half ago. S.Ireland is a tit and won't play for his country. Duff is also a shadow of the player who terrorised full-backs 7 years ago.

Your current team does not compare to the 2004 czech republic team, if that's what you are doing.

And how am I being disrespectful? I'm saying it as I see it, as you yourself claim to do.

Do you actually realise what you are saying and how biased it looks? :stupid:

Let me break it down for you. Nedved is also retired, just like Roy Keane, Roy played in 2004.

Kollar and Keane still play and are still scoring.

Rosicky and Ireland are there and Ireland will come back, the argument anyway was about what we produce. Rosicky is nearly always injured anyway.

Baros and Duff. Well Duff was a great player and is still a match winner. I don't even know what Baros is now.

Cech and Given. Both world class, Cech isn't anymore.

And the defenders are still all playing as far as I'm aware.

We've always had a deal of quality, had in 2004 too, similar to the Czechs.

[choda]

Mmmm I wanna hear what Rojo has to say about this, he is very clued up on the Irish National side.

Lol. I preferred you when you were fat. :marchmellow::001_tt1:

[TURKISH]

Lol. I preferred you when I thought you were fat. :marchmellow::001_tt1:

Your so easy to wind up its untrue.:santaclaus: Anyway what do you care your from Northern Ireland.

[choda]

Your so easy to wind up its untrue.:santaclaus: Anyway what do you care your from Northern Ireland.

I know you were joking you ballbag! Hence the fat joke. :tongue:

[Gino Ginelli]

Do you actually realise what you are saying and how biased it looks? :stupid:

Let me break it down for you. Nedved is also retired, just like Roy Keane, Roy played in 2004.

Kollar and Keane still play and are still scoring.

Rosicky and Ireland are there and Ireland will come back, the argument anyway was about what we produce. Rosicky is nearly always injured anyway.

Baros and Duff. Well Duff was a great player and is still a match winner. I don't even know what Baros is now.

Cech and Given. Both world class, Cech isn't anymore.

And the defenders are still all playing as far as I'm aware.

We've always had a deal of quality, had in 2004 too, similar to the Czechs.

What?! Your first line makes no sense whatsoever. Biased? What are you talking about? You compared a squad from 2002 to a squad from 2004, that was better. What relation in anyway does that have to your current squad?!

Why are you comparing Keane with Nedved?! Entirely different players (one has a Ballon'dor as well btw). Duff and Baros? One's a winger and ones a Striker! (Baros is currently at Galatassaray) Koller has retired from international football and scored 55 goals.

Your the only one who could take a compliment about your national side, and turn it into an argument! I'm actually applauding Ireland, and I'm all for every home nation making it to the tournaments and succeeding, and I've always enjoyed watching Ireland.

I'm not even sure what your point is anymore, or indeed if you do. I think if I repeatedly hit you over the head with a shovel with Trappatoni's face stuck to it you still wouldn't budge.

[MiloMinderbinder]

I'll settle this little tiff.

Ireland are second rate, at best. That's why they wont get to the world cup. That is all.

[Rojoknapp]

I can't really remember much about the Czech Republic team beyond the big names, so I won't start talking about that comparison. It's irrelevant anyway, because we're talking about what the Ireland team is capable of now, under Trappatoni with the players he can pick. That doesn't include Roy Keane, or Robbie Keane in his pomp, or Damien Duff when he was one of the best wingers in the world. Steve Finnan has been mentioned again - I'm fairly sure he won't play because he's retired, otherwise I'm fairly sure he might just edge Paul McShane out of the team :stupid:

Our best player is our goalkeeper, and all of our star outfield players are past their best, with the exception probably of Dunne. It's no good talking about Stephen Ireland because for whatever reason, we can't have him, we have to talk about what Trap does have. He could pick Andy Reid, but we have Duff, McGeady and Stephen Hunt, who has been one of our best players in qualifying. So you could put him in the middle, but that won't work because there is no way on earth that he will get through as much running, closing down or tackling as Whelan or Andrews. We are based around that hard working core because we have defenders like Stephen Kelly, Paul McShane, Kevin Kilbane et al. We would get destroyed if we played expansively against teams like Italy with those players in our team.

Choda, I just can't see how you can deny that Greece is the absolutely perfect example of why we should play as we have been doing, and how far it can take us. You seem to think that I think Ireland have no good players - I don't think that at all. I think Robbie can still be a very good player, I have always said that Richard Dunne is a man mountain, I think Shay Given is one of the world's very best keepers, I rate McGeady and Doyle very highly as well. I'm even liking the look of Leon Best when I see him. But the truth is we have too many weak links, players who aren't able to cope with games against the really good teams, and players who we can't pick (Finnan, Ireland, even Carr is playing well for Birmingham) to be playing the football that you want Choda.

[Gino Ginelli]

I'll settle this little tiff.

Ireland are second rate, at best. That's why they wont get to the world cup. That is all.

Yeah, that's really going to fan the flames, cheers! :ciao:

[gomessi]

I'll settle this. Ireland are about as good as Mongolia and this England side is the best footballing side since the 1970 Brazil side.

Next subject,

[Rojoknapp]

I'll settle this. Ireland are about as good as Mongolia and this England side is the best footballing side since the 1970 Brazil side.

Next subject,

Well settled :congrats:

[choda]

I'll settle this little tiff.

Ireland are second rate, at best. That's why they wont get to the world cup. That is all.

Yes, I agree with you. But that's not how it has to be. We should have spent 2 million on Karl Bruckner.

[choda]

What?! Your first line makes no sense whatsoever. Biased? What are you talking about? You compared a squad from 2002 to a squad from 2004, that was better. What relation in anyway does that have to your current squad?!

Why are you comparing Keane with Nedved?! Entirely different players (one has a Ballon'dor as well btw). Duff and Baros? One's a winger and ones a Striker! (Baros is currently at Galatassaray) Koller has retired from international football and scored 55 goals.

Your the only one who could take a compliment about your national side, and turn it into an argument! I'm actually applauding Ireland, and I'm all for every home nation making it to the tournaments and succeeding, and I've always enjoyed watching Ireland.

I'm not even sure what your point is anymore, or indeed if you do. I think if I repeatedly hit you over the head with a shovel with Trappatoni's face stuck to it you still wouldn't budge.

Jesus, are you not able to compare players in different positions for overall influence?

Koller scored 55 goals, isn't that marvellous? Now explain to me how that proves he is better than Robbie Keane? Keane has 44 and counting.

I think it is pointless debating with people that are talking in riddles. You are not making any sense or addressing what I am saying. You think you are proving me wrong when you are just making points that don't say anything other than, 'yea, well, Koller has 55 goals'.

That's just poor debating.

[choda]

I can't really remember much about the Czech Republic team beyond the big names, so I won't start talking about that comparison. It's irrelevant anyway, because we're talking about what the Ireland team is capable of now, under Trappatoni with the players he can pick. That doesn't include Roy Keane, or Robbie Keane in his pomp, or Damien Duff when he was one of the best wingers in the world. Steve Finnan has been mentioned again - I'm fairly sure he won't play because he's retired, otherwise I'm fairly sure he might just edge Paul McShane out of the team :stupid:

Our best player is our goalkeeper, and all of our star outfield players are past their best, with the exception probably of Dunne. It's no good talking about Stephen Ireland because for whatever reason, we can't have him, we have to talk about what Trap does have. He could pick Andy Reid, but we have Duff, McGeady and Stephen Hunt, who has been one of our best players in qualifying. So you could put him in the middle, but that won't work because there is no way on earth that he will get through as much running, closing down or tackling as Whelan or Andrews. We are based around that hard working core because we have defenders like Stephen Kelly, Paul McShane, Kevin Kilbane et al. We would get destroyed if we played expansively against teams like Italy with those players in our team.

Choda, I just can't see how you can deny that Greece is the absolutely perfect example of why we should play as we have been doing, and how far it can take us. You seem to think that I think Ireland have no good players - I don't think that at all. I think Robbie can still be a very good player, I have always said that Richard Dunne is a man mountain, I think Shay Given is one of the world's very best keepers, I rate McGeady and Doyle very highly as well. I'm even liking the look of Leon Best when I see him. But the truth is we have too many weak links, players who aren't able to cope with games against the really good teams, and players who we can't pick (Finnan, Ireland, even Carr is playing well for Birmingham) to be playing the football that you want Choda.

Robbie has actually scored 5 in 7 games for Ireland. I don't see how that is not performing the way he used to for us. And Duff has been a match winner, much like he always was, he's just had some bad injuries and had to find some fitness. He's not what he was but he's still quality.

The main problem is he won't pick the two Reids which is a ridiculous decision that just doesn't make any sense. You say he wouldn't work like the two players in there. Well, he wouldn't have to because we'd actually keep the ball. And we'd be in more control and launching attacks on their goal.

This idea that you can't play with such and such is just total and utter nonsense.

It's not like you will be spineless with Stephen Reid behind him, who by the way can tackle and pass the ball and cover ground in a league Andrews and f*cking Whelan can't even comprehend.

And the 'weak links' are in so many teams that still do well. They are usually good pros that are being picked of other not so talented players because they do their job. We've always had good lads that don't let you down to patch up a two positions or so in a team full of other quality players. Kilbane won't let you down at full back so long as he is playing at club level. He was good in the last two games. St. Ledger does his job as well.

Whelan and Andrews don't, they're f*cking useless.

And f*ck Greece, they are a nothing team that fluked a title. It's meaningless. Who's that going to inspire? It was the worst tournament ever and partly because they won it.

If they tried to play and won it it would have been a magnificent achievement. Cyprus is a real team, they try to play and played us off the park for long periods. And they went two up against the Italians away from home. Now there's a country that can be proud of its football team, they get the most out of what they have.

Greece and Ireland are a joke.

[Rojoknapp]

Robbie has actually scored 5 in 7 games for Ireland. I don't see how that is not performing the way he used to for us. And Duff has been a match winner, much like he always was, he's just had some bad injuries and had to find some fitness. He's not what he was but he's still quality.

The main problem is he won't pick the two Reids which is a ridiculous decision that just doesn't make any sense. You say he wouldn't work like the two players in there. Well, he wouldn't have to because we'd actually keep the ball. And we'd be in more control and launching attacks on their goal.

This idea that you can't play with such and such is just total and utter nonsense.

It's not like you will be spineless with Stephen Reid behind him, who by the way can tackle and pass the ball and cover ground in a league Andrews and f*cking Whelan can't even comprehend.

And the 'weak links' are in so many teams that still do well. They are usually good pros that are being picked of other not so talented players because they do their job. We've always had good lads that don't let you down to patch up a two positions or so in a team full of other quality players. Kilbane won't let you down at full back so long as he is playing at club level. He was good in the last two games. St. Ledger does his job as well.

Whelan and Andrews don't, they're f*cking useless.

And f*ck Greece, they are a nothing team that fluked a title. It's meaningless. Who's that going to inspire? It was the worst tournament ever and partly because they won it.

If they tried to play and won it it would have been a magnificent achievement. Cyprus is a real team, they try to play and played us off the park for long periods. And they went two against the Italians away from home. Now there's a country that can be proud of its football team.

Greece and Ireland are a joke.

Greece are a joke but Cyprus should be proud of their team? A European Championship means nothing..... that's just ridiculous. As for who it's going to inspire, hmmm, I don't know, how about countries without loads of top players like Ireland? How about every country of similar talent to Ireland and Greece who can see that the impossible can be done?

And finally - Kilbane and St Ledger don't disprove my point, they prove it further. Kilbane cost us goals against Bulgaria twice and St Ledger cost us a goal against Italy, that's just two examples off the top of my head. Better defenders would have stopped all of those goals.

[Gino Ginelli]

Jesus, are you not able to compare players in different positions for overall influence?

Koller scored 55 goals, isn't that marvellous? Now explain to me how that proves he is better than Robbie Keane? Keane has 44 and counting.

I think it is pointless debating with people that are talking in riddles. You are not making any sense or addressing what I am saying. You think you are proving me wrong when you are just making points that don't say anything other than, 'yea, well, Koller has 55 goals'.

That's just poor debating.

Say what?! Riddles?

Sorry fella but you're the one not making any sense to me whatsoever here. I've no idea what you're saying anymore.

And no you can't compare players in different positions.

[choda]

Greece are a joke but Cyprus should be proud of their team? A European Championship means nothing..... that's just ridiculous. As for who it's going to inspire, hmmm, I don't know, how about countries without loads of top players like Ireland? How about every country of similar talent to Ireland and Greece who can see that the impossible can be done?

And finally - Kilbane and St Ledger don't disprove my point, they prove it further. Kilbane cost us goals against Bulgaria twice and St Ledger cost us a goal against Italy, that's just two examples off the top of my head. Better defenders would have stopped all of those goals.

It means nothing when you play like that, yes. And it won't inspire anyone. You are just wasting everyone's time. If everyone played like that you wouldn't have a sport. And no it's not more effective, if you look at the history of what wins. There have been far more wins of the european cup or by smaller teams by playing football: Yugoslavia made the final twice, Belgium once, Czech won it and reached the final once.

Steau Bucharest and Red Star Belgrade won the champions league with champagne football. Reims, Panatonikous, Frankfurt etc. the list goes on, these are not big teams and they all reached the final.

There's five of these for every Porto or Greece side that won it by ugly non-football. And tell you the truth that Porto team had a few stars and they did play some football.

Greece was just an unreal freak, they were organised and hard to beat but they were amazingly lucky in that tourament. They also were playing in a tournament where none of the big teams were at the races, they were all a shambles and in that case being organised and working hard will beat talent.

My point is being organised and hard to beat doesn't stop you trying to get the rest of the qualities of being excellent. It just doesn't. If I had a diagram or a visual I could show you how.

Remember when I said Kilbane had to be match fit, well he wasn't match fit versus Bulgaria in either match. He's not someone that can just come in out of the cold, should have played someone else. But other than that he's been a solid dependable full back for years. St. Ledger has done well so far. The mistake in that instance was we attacked with only three men back when we were leading with minutes to go. That wasn't very bright and that was the problem when they countered, it was all spread out. I don't know what mistake you are on about actually.

[gomessi]

I'd just like to say a lot of greek people were delighted when there team won the euros. Perhaps it hasnt inspired a change but I can remember Palmers Green (part of North London with a lot of greek people) going crazy for several nights.

Choda are you honestly telling me that was winning the euros was meaningless just because they didnt play sexy football

Countries like Ireland might only win a major trophy once a century. It is a once in a lifetime moment and something you would be ecstatic about. Just for once it does make a change to actually win something. Greece are not a good team but every Greek fan will tell you they've actually won something. Luck is part of sport and that will never change.

I do think Ireland should try to play football but my point it you shouldnt just dismiss winning the european championships as meaningless.

[Gino Ginelli]

I'd just like to say a lot of greek people were delighted when there team won the euros. Perhaps it hasnt inspired a change but I can remember Palmers Green (part of North London with a lot of greek people) going crazy for several nights.

Choda are you honestly telling me that was winning the euros was meaningless just because they didnt play sexy football

Countries like Ireland might only win a major trophy once a century. It is a once in a lifetime moment and something you would be ecstatic about. Just for once it does make a change to actually win something. Greece are not a good team but every Greek fan will tell you they've actually won something. Luck is part of sport and that will never change.

I do think Ireland should try to play football but my point it you shouldnt just dismiss winning the european championships as meaningless.

Thank you. I've been accused of being disrespectful by Choda somehow, but I think regarding Greece's victory as meaningless just because it wasn't done in an attractive manner is very disrespectful. They were a limited team who worked their absolute bollocks off that entire tournament, not to mention the qualifiers, and fully deserved it. They deserved it 10 times more than that gutless diving winker in the Portugal team I can tell you.

If Ireland get to their first tournament in 8 years, and then proceed to do very well, with their current setup, then they would be equally deserving.

[sarah]

I'd just like to say a lot of greek people were delighted when there team won the euros. Perhaps it hasnt inspired a change but I can remember Palmers Green (part of North London with a lot of greek people) going crazy for several nights.

Choda are you honestly telling me that was winning the euros was meaningless just because they didnt play sexy football

Countries like Ireland might only win a major trophy once a century. It is a once in a lifetime moment and something you would be ecstatic about. Just for once it does make a change to actually win something. Greece are not a good team but every Greek fan will tell you they've actually won something. Luck is part of sport and that will never change.

I do think Ireland should try to play football but my point it you shouldnt just dismiss winning the european championships as meaningless.

Where does he say it was "meaningless"?

[earl warwick]

Where does he say it was "meaningless"?

Here.

"And f*ck Greece, they are a nothing team that fluked a title. It's meaningless. Who's that going to inspire? It was the worst tournament ever and partly because they won it."

Try telling my Greek friend that - and he's a big critic of his own country - and he'll cut you off at the knees. Choda has many lunatic ideas of this type. You'll quickly get used to them.

[sarah]

Here.

"And f*ck Greece, they are a nothing team that fluked a title. It's meaningless. Who's that going to inspire? It was the worst tournament ever and partly because they won it."

Try telling my Greek friend that - and he's a big critic of his own country - and he'll cut you off at the knees. Choda has many lunatic ideas of this type. You'll quickly get used to them.

Sorry I failed to spot that:blushing:

I strongly disagree with Choda there and I think everyone on this thread has stated winning euro 2004 was a magnificent achievement. The european championship is probably the second biggest trophy after the world cup!

[MiloMinderbinder]

Yeah, that's really going to fan the flames, cheers! :ciao:

No worries, just thought I would be the usual voice of reason and diplomacy.:tongue:

[Gino Ginelli]

No worries, just thought I would be the usual voice of reason and diplomacy.:tongue:

Bizzarely enough I think it atually worked! :scared:

[choda]

I'd just like to say a lot of greek people were delighted when there team won the euros. Perhaps it hasnt inspired a change but I can remember Palmers Green (part of North London with a lot of greek people) going crazy for several nights.

Choda are you honestly telling me that was winning the euros was meaningless just because they didnt play sexy football

Countries like Ireland might only win a major trophy once a century. It is a once in a lifetime moment and something you would be ecstatic about. Just for once it does make a change to actually win something. Greece are not a good team but every Greek fan will tell you they've actually won something. Luck is part of sport and that will never change.

I do think Ireland should try to play football but my point it you shouldnt just dismiss winning the european championships as meaningless.

I'm only telling you how I feel. I don't think you have to play sexy football. I don't think many teams are even capable of it. I think any team can play football though. I would have loved nothing more than to laud the Greek team like say I would have lauded Brian Clough's Nottenham Forest. I mean that was breathtaking. A club that small and they played football. It wasn't Barcelona but you can't expect that. You can expect the attempt to play football, be organised and work hard. That's percentages.

Then it is repeatable for a small team. They won it twice don't forget. Greece was largely a fluke imo, they scrubbed out some huge pieces of luck in three matches and it was a shocking tournament with many of the big sides simply all over the place and looking burnt out. Greece haven't gotten even near repeating that, nor will they under the current coach, which further backs up my point.

If you look at the history books it is always football that wins by a landslide whether it be big teams or small, for every ugly football team that won there are five teams that played football. It is the way to play and it is why this is the beautiful game and the greatest team sport on earth bar none. The ugly teams are only bearable because of all the great ones. Otherwise in a low scoring sport you'd have a collapse on you hands, empty stands etc.

It's not by chance that I support Tottenham Hotspur. We think about the sport and society we are a part of as well as ourselves and our contribution.

Chelsea contribute vile behaviour and ugly, boring football or at least did under Maureen. The difference between me and possibly some others is I don't say this just because I am spurs and they are Chelsea. I say it because I would be saying the same thing if I supported them, as some of my Chelsea friends did at the time.

[Rojoknapp]

I don't know what mistake you are on about actually.

The one where he and Gilardino were alone in the box, no other threats in sight, and St. Ledger was inexplicably standing two or three yards away from him. Imagine if we had a real top class centre back alongside Dunne - you can't imagine Gilardino having got away from John Terry like that can you?

[choda]

The one where he and Gilardino were alone in the box, no other threats in sight, and St. Ledger was inexplicably standing two or three yards away from him. Imagine if we had a real top class centre back alongside Dunne - you can't imagine Gilardino having got away from John Terry like that can you?

Fair enough but he's done admirably overall, everyone makes mistakes, including Terry, Rio even King etc. He also scored a good header against Italian defenders before that don't forget.

I think in the main he's actually solid enough. The main problem with that goal was the space opened up on the counter when we didn't need to go kamikaze and leave only three back defending in defence and midfield! If I were in charge it would be JoS and Dunne at the back anyway with Finnan or Carr at right back. They'd play if you told them you had no other great options and you wanted JoS in the centre.

So again you can blame the manager. :santaclaus:

I think Kelly is a good prospect, but when he comes in without match fitness he is awful. When he gets a run of regular games he starts to impress.

Joey O'Brien is an excellent prospect, but his injury problems are a catastrophy.

[Rojoknapp]

Fair enough but he's done admirably overall, everyone makes mistakes, including Terry, Rio even King etc. He also scored a good header against Italian defenders before that don't forget.

I think in the main he's actually solid enough. The main problem with that goal was the space opened up on the counter when we didn't need to go kamikaze and leave only three back defending in defence and midfield! If I were in charge it would be JoS and Dunne at the back anyway with Finnan or Carr at right back. They'd play if you told them you had no other great options and you wanted JoS in the centre.

So again you can blame the manager. :santaclaus:

I think Kelly is a good prospect, but when he comes in without match fitness he is awful. When he gets a run of regular games he starts to impress.

Joey O'Brien is an excellent prospect, but his injury problems are a catastrophy.

Yeah I do quite like St Ledger, but he just hasn't got that bit of quality that the strikers he will come up against will have. He's been generally ok for Ireland, but some of his defending for Boro this season has been worse than abysmal. You should check out the highlights of the Coventry game in particular - I think Best and/or Morrison profited from him that day. But anyway, surely if Carr/Finnan were willing to play then they would be picked ahead of Paul McShane et al?

And yes, the amount of men we left forward was the root of the problem, I couldn't believe what I was seeing with two friggin minutes left!!! :cursing:

[irishspur]

Its an absolute disgrace how the squad has been selected, a manager with such a small pool of players cant afford to ignore the obvious class of andy reid, and having seen carsley play heroically tonight at liverpool i cant believe hes not in it. I swear he must have charged down 5 or 6 long shots, and was desperately unlucky to concede the penalty, scandalous dive by ngog. The likes of steven reid and finnan are probably too short of match fitness to be worth including which is unfortunate. Overall we have a great chance, france conceded 6 from set pieces during the groups stages, and look very suspect at the back. I respect trap for what he has achieved but he may well have cost us a place in the world cup with his petty predjudice. Why didnt he try what domenech did with makalele in steven irelands case, name him in a squad and force him back?

[choda]

Yeah I do quite like St Ledger, but he just hasn't got that bit of quality that the strikers he will come up against will have. He's been generally ok for Ireland, but some of his defending for Boro this season has been worse than abysmal. You should check out the highlights of the Coventry game in particular - I think Best and/or Morrison profited from him that day. But anyway, surely if Carr/Finnan were willing to play then they would be picked ahead of Paul McShane et al?

And yes, the amount of men we left forward was the root of the problem, I couldn't believe what I was seeing with two friggin minutes left!!! :cursing:

They're only not playing because they felt it was time for the next generation, but Kelly isn't getting playing time and Joey O'Brien is constantly injured, so we simply are struggling with the pool of players. They'd come back but as I say Trap is rather odd like that. There are several ways he is shooting us in the foot, which is what I find unacceptable.

[choda]

Its an absolute disgrace how the squad has been selected, a manager with such a small pool of players cant afford to ignore the obvious class of andy reid, and having seen carsley play heroically tonight at liverpool i cant believe hes not in it. I swear he must have charged down 5 or 6 long shots, and was desperately unlucky to concede the penalty, scandalous dive by ngog. The likes of steven reid and finnan are probably too short of match fitness to be worth including which is unfortunate. Overall we have a great chance, france conceded 6 from set pieces during the groups stages, and look very suspect at the back. I respect trap for what he has achieved but he may well have cost us a place in the world cup with his petty predjudice. Why didnt he try what domenech did with makalele in steven irelands case, name him in a squad and force him back?

Thank you. It seems if you aren't Irish or don't live in Ireland you just don't have the same focus on what exactly is going on.

It's absolute madness leaving out Carsley, Stephan Reid and Andy Reid. And if he really wanted Stephen Ireland I bet he could get him. We are a small nation and we just can't afford this lunacy.

He has done well in organisation and work rate and that can take anything far, but he is putting serious limits on how far we can go with his selections, leaving quality out altogether and the style of play.

I'd also like to point out that what I have said on this thread has nothing to do with having to sometimes defend or keeping it tight. I'm talking about aimless play on the ball to deliberately bypass the midfield so you luckily latch onto it or it comes back and you deal with it or win it back and counter. It's like he wants limited players playing in the middle. There's no other explanation for playing Whelan and Andrews.

There's only so far you can get with that approach unless you start to get very lucky. You are limiting your chances. It won't impress anyone or endure, that's for sure.

To get the most from what you have and continue to do well you have to also play well. Isn't that just common sense?

[TURKISH]

BS!!

All you did was jump on a bandwagon (someone on here said that) started by gomessi (who was previously known as juandes soldier) and you basically copied whatever he said about la liga/spanish football team. I've looked through the forum and there was a thread started where gm literally was wanking himself blind before a Barca game....you only started after man u got beat in the final.

My god this thread was class :laugh: I'm such a wum.:laugh:

[MarlowSpurs]

My god this thread was class :laugh: I'm such a wum.:laugh:

Yes you are

[Gino Ginelli]

You're bored aren't you? Get a job!! :001_tongue:

[TURKISH]

You're bored aren't you? Get a job!! :001_tongue:

This was my last week and I have got impetigo so had to call in sick.:thumbdown: So officially I do need another job, but not much I can do with Impetigo in my ear.:playingball:

So I'm out of work, which way to the doll office Mr Cameron Sir.:001_rolleyes:

[Gino Ginelli]

This was my last week and I have got impetigo so had to call in sick.:thumbdown: So officially I do need another job, but not much I can do with Impetigo in my ear.:playingball:

So I'm out of work, which way to the doll office Mr Cameron Sir.:001_rolleyes:

Forgive my ignorance but whats Impetigo?

[TURKISH]

Forgive my ignorance but whats Impetigo?

Skin disease, makes your skin weep and very contagious.:thumbdown:

[Gino Ginelli]

Skin disease, makes your skin weep and very contagious.:thumbdown:

In your ear?! Uurrrgggghhhh!!! :puke:

[TURKISH]

In your ear?! Uurrrgggghhhh!!! :puke:

Yer I know had it before on my face a few years back now. Antibiotics work a treat if the fvcking doctors give you enough. Its a pain in the backside to be honest.

[Gino Ginelli]

Mate that's horrible, it must be so shit for you. You deserve a spot of luck methinks.

[TURKISH]

Mate that's horrible, it must be so shit for you. You deserve a spot of luck methinks.

I know :laugh: rotten luck can't do much at the moment just waiting for docs appointment on fri. Onwards and upwards as they say.