Sky Sports All Time Greats... Spurs

[Gino Ginelli]

SSN have announced the result of their "Greatest Ever" survey:

http://www.skysports.com/football/alltimegreats/results/0,26076,16105_5542217,00.html

The voting resulted in:

1. Glenn Hoddle
2. Jimmy Greaves
3. Paul Gascoigne
4. Danny Blanchflower
5. David Ginola
6. Teddy Sherignham
7. Jurgen Klinsmann
8. Gary Lineker
9. John White
10. Dave Mackay

Discuss!

Personally I'm very suprised to see Ginola, Gazza and Teddy so high in a top ten of our greatest players. I think some voters may have got confused with 'favourite' and 'greatest'...

[deadleyledley]

i cant believe how ossie and villa are not in it and how martin chivers is not there.

[gomessi]

Big difference between fav and greatest. That list is just wrong.

I think fans that know THFC history would have a top 3 of
1) Mackay
2) Blanchflower
3) Greaves

My opinion is only based on reading a couple of spurs books.

Teddy and Ginol are miles from top 10. Top 10 in prem era but not all tume.

[Apples]

SSN have announced the result of their "Greatest Ever" survey:

http://www.skysports.com/football/alltimegreats/results/0,26076,16105_5542217,00.html

The voting resulted in:

1. Glenn Hoddle
2. Jimmy Greaves
3. Paul Gascoigne
4. Danny Blanchflower
5. David Ginola
6. Teddy Sherignham
7. Jurgen Klinsmann
8. Gary Lineker
9. John White
10. Dave Mackay

Discuss!

Personally I'm very suprised to see Ginola, Gazza and Teddy so high in a top ten of our greatest players. I think some voters may have got confused with 'favourite' and 'greatest'...


The title is "greatest ever"

Gazza - was a 'world phenomenon at the time" - best player of World Cup '90 and absolutely great for Spurs!

Gazza is still talked about now because he is legendary so he should definitely be in there!

Ginola - not sure but why not? he was a great player, amazing talent and well known around the world.

Sheringham - not so much, but was influential, not in my opinion a well known great player but very good!

Ginola and Sheringham probably shouldn't be in it - but I understand Ginola, because he really was something special to watch at the lane.

[MiloMinderbinder]

Where the **** is Moussa Saib, Jason Dozzel, David Leworthy, Andy Turner etc etc! Not happy.

There's no way Ginola or Klinsmann should be in the greatest 10, not around for long enough. Mike England? Gary Mabbutt? Graham Roberts? Jesus wept was this poll olny undertaken by the under 16's?

[TURKISH]

Where the **** is Moussa Saib, Jason Dozzel, David Leworthy, Andy Turner etc etc! Not happy.

There's no way Ginola or Klinsmann should be in the greatest 10, not around for long enough. Mike England? Gary Mabbutt? Graham Roberts? Jesus wept was this poll olny undertaken by the under 16's?

Spot on where the fvck is Cliff Jones? :thumbdown:

Also Teddy Sheringham can go fvck himself, 6th greatest spurs player ever? Not even the 6th greatest striker or top scorer we have had.

[TURKISH]

Also no Perryman?

[gazzaG8]

Also no Perryman?

Yeah i thought that, also no Cliff Jones, who i was always told by my Grandfather that in his time he was europe's best winger, maybe the world

[MiloMinderbinder]

Yeah i thought that, also no Cliff Jones, who i was always told by my Grandfather that in his time he was europe's best winger, maybe the world

Fo' sho mo fo. Check out his goalscoring record. Cristiano who?

there really needs to be players in the most people would never have heard of; Ted Ditchburn, Len Duqeiman (sp), even Alf Ramsey, Eddi Bailey etc etc etc.

[TURKISH]

Fo' sho mo fo. Check out his goalscoring record. Cristiano who?

there really needs to be players in the most people would never have heard of; Ted Ditchburn, Len Duqeiman (sp), even Alf Ramsey, Eddi Bailey etc etc etc.

Kids today only remember Teddy's smile and Ginola's hairless body. What about George Hunt?

Oh you spelt Len Duqeiman wrong.:thefinger: The numpty corrects the nazi master, I bet Emily Pankhurst is laughing in her grave.

[choda]

It just depends on your criteria. If it is purely who is the greatest to have played for spurs then surely Klinsmann is top of the list.

Greaves would have to be there. Mackay was supposedly a phenomonal footballer. I think it was a good list to be honest. Maybe Teddy should be replaced with Ossie or Villa but I didn't see them play.

I do think Teddy was a smashing player, as was Ginola of course. Ginola had to be a world class winger when he was here, no? Very surprised at the amount of questioning of his conclusion. He was sensational for me.

How do people think Teddy compares with Keano and Berbatov as a matter of interest?

I think they were all smashing players for spurs and on a similar type of level.

Teddy tended to become a player that became so key to the quality of possession and stringing things together that his clubs and country just had to make him part of a front pair, no matter how much talent was knocking around.

Keane is very much like that right now as well imo and Berbatov in his first year here was even better than both of them. He was world class until his work rate and attitude took a nose dive. I'd choose him below either of them in a straight choice the way he's played since then, but still mega talented.

[Gino Ginelli]

It just depends on your criteria. If it is purely who is the greatest to have played for spurs then surely Klinsmann is top of the list.

Greaves would have to be there. Mackay was supposedly a phenomonal footballer. I think it was a good list to be honest. Maybe Teddy should be replaced with Ossie or Villa but I didn't see them play.

I do think Teddy was a smashing player, as was Ginola of course. Ginola had to be a world class winger when he was here, no? Very surprised at the amount of questioning of his conclusion. He was sensational for me.

How do people think Teddy compares with Keano and Berbatov as a matter of interest?

I think they were all smashing players for spurs and on a similar type of level.

Teddy tended to become a player that became so key to the quality of possession and stringing things together that his clubs and country just had to make him part of a front pair, no matter how much talent was knocking around.

Keane is very much like that right now as well imo and Berbatov in his first year here was even better than both of them. He was world class until his work rate and attitude took a nose dive. I'd choose him below either of them in a straight choice the way he's played since then, but still mega talented.

By your own criteria, if it is purely the greatest footballer then Hoddle still tops it. Utterly, utterly majestic.

[TURKISH]

It just depends on your criteria. If it is purely who is the greatest to have played for spurs then surely Klinsmann is top of the list.

Greaves would have to be there. Mackay was supposedly a phenomonal footballer. I think it was a good list to be honest. Maybe Teddy should be replaced with Ossie or Villa but I didn't see them play.

I do think Teddy was a smashing player, as was Ginola of course. Ginola had to be a world class winger when he was here, no? Very surprised at the amount of questioning of his conclusion. He was sensational for me.

How do people think Teddy compares with Keano and Berbatov as a matter of interest?

I think they were all smashing players for spurs and on a similar type of level.

Teddy tended to become a player that became so key to the quality of possession and stringing things together that his clubs and country just had to make him part of a front pair, no matter how much talent was knocking around.

Keane is very much like that right now as well imo and Berbatov in his first year here was even better than both of them. He was world class until his work rate and attitude took a nose dive. I'd choose him below either of them in a straight choice the way he's played since then, but still mega talented.

Klinsmann is one in a great line that have played for spurs, he had a year and a half at us and one year was fantastic. I'm with Milo in he didn't play long enough to be in our top ten greatest players ever. Also Jurgen the greatest? Have you not seen Hoddle?

Teddy was a great footballer, I personally can't stand him anymore but as a player he was top quality. But Chivers, Gilzean for me contributed more for the club than Teddy and Jurgen did. Teddy could be replaced by loads of players perryman, cliff jones, alan mullery, chivers, archibald, gilzean, roberts, john white and gary mabbutt. Keane can be ahead of teddy but he hasn't done himself any favours when he was quick to fvck off to pool. Berba was great but never wanted to be here and for that he has no chance ever.

Ginola was a legend, he played for a poor spurs side and he provided that buzz and hope that we failed to see since the early 90's. Ginola and Jurgen were fantastic but there have been players who played for a number of years at spurs who won more and played for us for much longer.

Waddle also deserves a mention.

[Rojoknapp]

I didn't see the majority of these players, but I'm with Choda in the sense that I would count the best players who ever played for us as the greatest ones, regardless of how long they stayed. If Messi came and played for us now for a year before moving on, surely he would be our greatest ever player?

[TURKISH]

I didn't see the majority of these players, but I'm with Choda in the sense that I would count the best players who ever played for us as the greatest ones, regardless of how long they stayed. If Messi came and played for us now for a year before moving on, surely he would be our greatest ever player?

But the players who played for longer were all better and contributed more. Jurgen was different because he was special for us but so was chivers and gilzean. Special players who have contributed to our fabulous history have been left out because they want be asked to look back more than 20 years.

Ask 90% of spurs fans, players and past managers who was greater for spurs dave mackay or jurgen klinsman.

Its who was the greatest player for spurs, which means who contributed more. Not who was the best on natural talent ect.

[choda]

By your own criteria, if it is purely the greatest footballer then Hoddle still tops it. Utterly, utterly majestic.

He was before my time so I can't really comment. You do have to wonder about the amount of caps he got though, I always criticise it but is the English system/philosophy really that bad?

And big arguments can be made for Klinsmann.

Remember Klinsmann has over 100 caps in a golden age of German football and he's won everything, EVERYTHING. Championships, Cups, European cups, European championship, World Cup. Second in the all time scoring list for Germany with 47 goals only to Gerd Muller with 68. Player of the year in his first season in England. Only man to score over three goals in three consecutive world cups, until Ronaldo (the real one) did the same.

And remember what his game was like; the athleticism, movement, first touch, technique, finishing. He was utterly majestic himself and remember what you said about being proven on the very highest level? Oh the hypocrisy! :aetsch:

[choda]

But the players who played for longer were all better and contributed more. Jurgen was different because he was special for us but so was chivers and gilzean. Special players who have contributed to our fabulous history have been left out because they want be asked to look back more than 20 years.

Ask 90% of spurs fans, players and past managers who was greater for spurs dave mackay or jurgen klinsman.

Its who was the greatest player for spurs, which means who contributed more. Not who was the best on natural talent ect.

If you ask for a greatest list then I just pick the best players that ever put on the shirt. I am not into thinking a guy is a lesser spurs man if he left or what ever. People have their reasons. They don't even have to love the club to be a professional and a great player while here, which is why I really can't stand Berbatov.

I'm not into loyalty for loyalties sake. You're there because you are getting something out of it and vice versa so I don't really care how long they've been at the club to be honest, so long as they give their best while they are here.

I can't think of Campbell without getting a bad taste in my mouth, but I'm saying so long as they leave in a respectful manner, think it is a great club, love it and play their heart out while they are here then I hold nothing against them what so ever or leave them off a list.

[Gino Ginelli]

He was before my time so I can't really comment. You do have to wonder about the amount of caps he got though, I always criticise it but is the English system/philosophy really that bad?

And big arguments can be made for Klinsmann.

Remember Klinsmann has over 100 caps in a golden age of German football and he's won everything, EVERYTHING. Championships, Cups, European cups, European championship, World Cup. Second in the all time scoring list for Germany with 47 goals only to Gerd Muller with 68. Player of the year in his first season in England. Only man to score over three goals in three consecutive world cups, until Ronaldo (the real one) did the same.

And remember what his game was like; the athleticism, movement, first touch, technique, finishing. He was utterly majestic himself and remember what you said about being proven on the very highest level? Oh the hypocrisy! :aetsch:

How am I being hypocritical? I never said Klinsmann wasn't a great player. I said Hoddle was still a better footballer, and he was.

[choda]

How am I being hypocritical? I never said Klinsmann wasn't a great player. I said Hoddle was still a better footballer, and he was.

Hoddle wasn't proven on a world level near Klinsmann and you said players are judged as serious performers mostly by world cups. I'm only messing with you anyway saying hypocrisy, I'm only saying it because you sometimes say things like that to me. :tongue:

It is more complicated but I think you do learn a lot about players in big games and high levels. Not saying Hoddle couldn't have done it but was he purred over internationally like Klinsmann was. This is one of the best strikers ever and would Hoddle be put on that level, one of the best midfielders ever.

Hugely talented but overlooked and even if it was wrong there had to be a reason, even if it was flawed. I'm not criticising Hoddle and I am always saying that brains and talent like that should be indulged but remember this is comparing to one of the greats of the game, the very highest calibre, a true winner and a sensational footballer who proved himself to everyone and at every level.

[Shelfside]

Hoddle wasn't proven on a world level near Klinsmann and you said players are judged as serious performers mostly by world cups. I'm only messing with you anyway saying that, I'm only saying it because you sometimes say things like that to me. :tongue:

It is more complicated but I think you do learn a lot about players in big games and high levels. Not saying Hoddle couldn't have done it but was he purred over internationally like Klinsmann was. This is one of the best strikers ever and would Hoddle be put on that level, one of the best midfielders ever.

Hugely talented but overlooked and even if it was wrong there had to be a reason, even if it was flawed. I'm not criticising Hoddle and I am always saying that brains and talent like that should be indulged but remember this is comparing to one of the greats of the game, the very highest calibre, a true winner and a sensational footballer who proved himself to everyone and at every level.

Well actually Hoddle was admired a thousand times more worldwide than in England.Don't forget that Dennis Bergkamp was a boyhood Spurs fan and Hoddle was his idol.Arsene Wenger took Hoddle to Monaco.Maradona enthused about playing with Hoddle in the Ardiles testimonial against Inter Milan in 1986.Probably the best compliment Hoddle had was from Johan Cruyff.Before Tottenham played Feyenoord in the Uefa cup in 1983,Cruyff publically stated that Hoddle was overrated and Tottenham were an average side.In the first leg we were 4-0 up by half time.Hoddle annihilated them.In the second leg,Hoddle once again took command and we won 2-0.After the game,Cruyff came into the Spurs dressing room and said "Glenn Hoddle,I have an apology to make,you were magnificent".Cruyff then gave Hoddle his shirt.Praise dosen't come much higher than that.
As for that list,it's bollocks.Klinnsman,Sheringham and Ginola should not be there.What about Martin Peters FFS?.And any greatest ever Spurs players list that dosen't feature Pat Jennings is totally and utterly worthless.

[Gino Ginelli]

Hoddle wasn't proven on a world level near Klinsmann and you said players are judged as serious performers mostly by world cups. I'm only messing with you anyway saying that, I'm only saying it because you sometimes say things like that to me. :tongue:

It is more complicated but I think you do learn a lot about players in big games and high levels. Not saying Hoddle couldn't have done it but was he purred over internationally like Klinsmann was. This is one of the best strikers ever and would Hoddle be put on that level, one of the best midfielders ever.

Hugely talented but overlooked and even if it was wrong there had to be a reason, even if it was flawed. I'm not criticising Hoddle and I am always saying that brains and talent like that should be indulged but remember this is comparing to one of the greats of the game, the very highest calibre, a true winner and a sensational footballer who proved himself to everyone and at every level.

I also acknowledged that Best was one of the greatest player who ever lived, but that doesn't change the fact that he wasn't proven at world level either. But that's a different discussion.

I'm afraid you can't quantify to me in any way that Klinsmann was a better footballer than Hoddle, ever. And certainly not in terms of Spurs.

[choda]

Well actually Hoddle was admired a thousand times more worldwide than in England.Don't forget that Dennis Bergkamp was a boyhood Spurs fan and Hoddle was his idol.Arsene Wenger took Hoddle to Monaco.Maradona enthused about playing with Hoddle in the Ardiles testimonial against Inter Milan in 1986.Probably the best compliment Hoddle had was from Johan Cruyff.Before Tottenham played Feyenoord in the Uefa cup in 1983,Cruyff publically stated that Hoddle was overrated and Tottenham were an average side.In the first leg we were 4-0 up by half time.Hoddle annihilated them.In the second leg,Hoddle once again took command and we won 2-0.After the game,Cruyff came into the Spurs dressing room and said "Glenn Hoddle,I have an apology to make,you were magnificent".Cruyff then gave Hoddle his shirt.Praise dosen't come much higher than that.
As for that list,it's bollocks.Klinnsman,Sheringham and Ginola should not be there.What about Martin Peters FFS?.And any greatest ever Spurs players list that dosen't feature Pat Jennings is totally and utterly worthless.

He does look sensational when I've seen him on videos and stuff. How bad is the English philosophy that he was so overlooked?

He sounds like the type that can be a figurehead for a great world cup side.

And Jennings should definitely be on that list. He's arguably the best keeper ever is he not?

[singapore spur]

great spurs players to me are players who put their heart and soul into the team , players that epitamise what spurs should be about , not just skill or goals but passion , verve and sportsmanship .

wouldnt have teddy , or jurgen in there , even ginola though he played the spurs way , and im not sure about linekar .

of the modernish era , hoddle and gazza without a doubt , those that say no , cant have seen em play at the lane , both could leave you speechless .

mackay , blanchflower , jones a bit before my time but their records and rep amongst the spurs old old boys says enough .

jennings , mabbut , perryman , all greats of tottenham and should be in , jennings for his ability , mabs and steve for the heart they put in the club when things werent going well for many years , not the greatest or most skillful of players but top pros who never let u down .

players that come in for a season or two may be great players but doesnt make em spurs greats .

[Shelfside]

He does look sensational when I've seen him on videos and stuff. How bad is the English philosophy that he was so overlooked?

He sounds like the type that can be a figurehead for a great world cup side.

And Jennings should definitely be on that list. He's arguably the best keeper ever is he not?

The problem Hoddle had was that his international career co-incided with the change in attitude that English football had during the late 70's/early 80's.The 'flair' midfield player was considered a luxury and a risk and was to be only used when absolutely necessary or given instruction to play tactically different to their natural game.This was the Bryan Robson era.The physical midfielders who gave 100% in every tackle and in Bryan Robson's case usually spending three months on the treatment table because of that.Other footballing nations were genuinely shocked that we overlooked or undervalued Glenn.It has become a cliche that if he had been Dutch or Brazillian,he would have won 100 caps at least.
As for Pat Jennings,yes he was the best keeper ever.How many keepers have won the PFA player of the year once,let alone twice like Pat did in 1973 and 1976?.I've seen the film of the game that more or less won him the award in 1973.It was two penalty saves at Anfield in a 1-1 draw with Liverpool.Spurs fans need to understand how many games and trophies were won,not just by the outfield players but the genius in goal that was Pat Jennings.

[choda]

great spurs players to me are players who put their heart and soul into the team , players that epitamise what spurs should be about , not just skill or goals but passion , verve and sportsmanship .

wouldnt have teddy , or jurgen in there , even ginola though he played the spurs way , and im not sure about linekar .

of the modernish era , hoddle and gazza without a doubt , those that say no , cant have seen em play at the lane , both could leave you speechless .

mackay , blanchflower , jones a bit before my time but their records and rep amongst the spurs old old boys says enough .

jennings , mabbut , perryman , all greats of tottenham and should be in , jennings for his ability , mabs and steve for the heart they put in the club when things werent going well for many years , not the greatest or most skillful of players but top pros who never let u down .

players that come in for a season or two may be great players but doesnt make em spurs greats .

Oh I wouldn't say no to Hoddle and Gazza, God no. They're the reason I support spurs, players like them, Ginola, Teddy, Klinsmann, Modric, Keane. Style and substance, that's the spurs way.

I was only questioning whether he was better than Klinsmann and bare in mind I don't remember Hoddle as a player, never saw him play.

I did see Klinsmann and he was breathtaking. One of the great strikers imo.

[Spursdog]

SSN have announced the result of their "Greatest Ever" survey:

http://www.skysports.com/football/alltimegreats/results/0,26076,16105_5542217,00.html

The voting resulted in:

1. Glenn Hoddle
2. Jimmy Greaves
3. Paul Gascoigne
4. Danny Blanchflower
5. David Ginola
6. Teddy Sherignham
7. Jurgen Klinsmann
8. Gary Lineker
9. John White
10. Dave Mackay

Discuss!

Personally I'm very suprised to see Ginola, Gazza and Teddy so high in a top ten of our greatest players. I think some voters may have got confused with 'favourite' and 'greatest'...


Ginola probably saved us from relegation as our team was pretty bad in that time. Add to the fact he was so great to watch with his flair and ability.

He would make my top 10 everytime, I love the bloke. :D

[TURKISH]

Well actually Hoddle was admired a thousand times more worldwide than in England.Don't forget that Dennis Bergkamp was a boyhood Spurs fan and Hoddle was his idol.Arsene Wenger took Hoddle to Monaco.Maradona enthused about playing with Hoddle in the Ardiles testimonial against Inter Milan in 1986.Probably the best compliment Hoddle had was from Johan Cruyff.Before Tottenham played Feyenoord in the Uefa cup in 1983,Cruyff publically stated that Hoddle was overrated and Tottenham were an average side.In the first leg we were 4-0 up by half time.Hoddle annihilated them.In the second leg,Hoddle once again took command and we won 2-0.After the game,Cruyff came into the Spurs dressing room and said "Glenn Hoddle,I have an apology to make,you were magnificent".Cruyff then gave Hoddle his shirt.Praise dosen't come much higher than that.
As for that list,it's bollocks.Klinnsman,Sheringham and Ginola should not be there.What about Martin Peters FFS?.And any greatest ever Spurs players list that dosen't feature Pat Jennings is totally and utterly worthless.


Also Platini said Hoddle was class and he couldn't fathom why he never got more caps then he actually did for england.

[sundancer]

Ossie, Chivers, Gilzean should be in there, and both Jones and Waddle were better then Ginola.