The Race For 2nd Place

[gazzaG8]

Due to the fact Chelsea have bought the title for the next
10 years does everyone think 2nd place
is the real title


(this is my first thread so be gentle)

[Spur]

Well no because you don't get a trophy and run around a pitch. The Chelsea problem is now a joke, despite them bringing the best striker and one of the best midfielders in the world to the Prem. But they won't be remembered as a great team. Their football is not good. And they have bought the title.

In ten years time when I look back, I will look at Chelsea as a failure. It is hugely emabarrassing that they haven't won the CL yet, and I myself was calling for Jose to be sacked after last years failure, especially when the title looked like Man Utd could make a late dash. After all, they only won by 8 points last season, after spending over 1 Billion pounds I think that's embarrassing, they shouldn't lose a game, drop a point, but they aren't good enough to do it. The team is a joke.

They will never be the most successful team and never be the best loved, nor play the best football, in history they will be viewed upon with contempt and associated with failure, in my eyes at least. A huge embarrassment as a team and a club.

[Welsh Spur]

Yes, well said. Chelsea are, quite frankly, absolutely pathetic.

Like you say, spending that amount of money on a team surely should mean that it is invincible...thus dropping no points and losing no games.

And due to the fact that this is not the case....the money they've spent isn't and will never be justified.

[Spur]

Also Mourinho quite often makes himself look an absolute turnip.

Such as the Fulham game when he made two subs after 20 minutes. Absolute shocker.

[gazzaG8]

But to clubs like us, Liverpool, The scum & utd
AN automtic champions league place is the only realistic target,
even MJ said that on the web site yesterday

[Welsh Spur]

Mourinho is a fool, and at the moment the best non-uk manager to grace the prem, as much as i hate say it, is Wenger. He has done to Arsenal what Jol is currently in the process of here.

And Mourinho's talent has not been proven here. He has had everything at his disposal, not where managers like Allardyce have shown their worth in the country against the odds....Chelsea not winning the league is now against the odds and Mourinho's success is, i think it's fair to say, judged by what he doesn't win, not what he does win. Because everything is expected.

[Spur]

BUt Wenger makes himself look a fool time and time again too. For me a good manager is one that is respected by everyone. Mourinho, Wenger, Alex, they all make themselves look contradictory and foolish at times. Maybe it comes with success, they get too big think they are indestructable, better than everyone else play outside the rules, I wish someone would give them all a big smack.

Thankfully, so far MJ hasn't been like them, he tells it how it is without moaning or arguing.

[gazzaG8]

So who do you see challenging for the title?

[Welsh Spur]

BUt Wenger makes himself look a fool time and time again too. For me a good manager is one that is respected by everyone. Mourinho, Wenger, Alex, they all make themselves look contradictory and foolish at times. Maybe it comes with success, they get too big think they are indestructable, better than everyone else play outside the rules, I wish someone would give them all a big smack.

Thankfully, so far MJ hasn't been like them, he tells it how it is without moaning or arguing.
Yeah but what I'm saying is you can't deny what he's done for the Scum.

And I see Liverpool (despite Mourinho's dissin) as the main challengers. Then Scum, Utd and us going for the 3rd and 4th spots.

[gazzaG8]

Yeah but what I'm saying is you can't deny what he's done for the Scum.

And I see Liverpool (despite Mourinho's dissin) as the main challengers. Then Scum, Utd and us going for the 3rd and 4th spots.


I agree, Liverpool have bought well (amazingly not Spanish)

[Welsh Spur]

I've been forced to make them my third team now too. The missus tried converting me completely until she saw my face when she said 'you have to support Liverpool now'.

[Danishspurs]

Honestly think we will end in 3rd or 4th position.. We have an extremely talented squad and some ambitious players, and we really wanna prove our worth after the way we lost out on a CL spot last season...

Think Pool will finish 2nd and us 3rd and hopefully United 4th but in hard competition with the Scum...

I might be a little optimistic, but i've never seen a spurs team with so much potential. And I'm over the moon right now with the pre-season we've had and the young and talented squad we have..

COYS!!

[Welsh Spur]

That's the way Danish......Zokora said himself, you've got to set targets or there's no point; and Berbatov said he's here to secure CL also, optimism is deserved we're on the way to the top COYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[whistler9027]

Money does not and never has guaranteed success...yes chelsea have a good squad..and have spent a lot of money..but i firmly believe that their dmestic success has as much to do with other rivals rebuilding their squads than chelsea being that much on top..Also what they do seem to have like it or ot is a winning mentality...now i hate them with a ****ing passion..but other teams go out us included at times and look at em and think oh its chelsea too much money no class etc etc..all true but it takes the fiocus away from the fact that they are beatable..they arnt that special...the only team thats really made me think ..thats a ****ing good team was and i hate to say it the gooners team of a couple of seasons ago...

we are a top young squad now with a top manger..time to take destiny in our own hands....we can beat them and nyone else..so lets do it..the mediocrity of the past few years has made us a bit dubious and nervy at times...understandable..but we r on the rise...teams sat back to much early days v chelsea..get at em..and they arnt all that..except mayb their focus...we get that mental toughness which is coming..and we will sort em right out...

[Spur]

When you look at the table you can split teams off into little leagues of their own. I did it last season and said it was Man utd and Liverpool in their own league behind Chelsea, then us and Arsenal. This season I think we can honestly be put in with Arsenal and Man Utd, with Liverpool guarenteed 2nd and obv Chelsea up top.

[Welsh Spur]

I think it's pathetic to say money doesn't buy success....do u really think Chelsea would be where they are now if they didn't have those dirty roubles?

[whistler9027]

welsh spur..i dont like being called pathetic mate..not by u or anyone so cut that right out..and what i sed was it doesnt guarantee success..u can have all the money u like but u still have to bring in players that want to be at ur club..keep em happy..which chelsea r having problems with...and play a lot of football..you still have to prioritise...if it was just the money all the top players would b at chelsea..even the blu scum realise they cant have everybody of course it strengthens their position...but the last time i looked the game was still played out on the park and not on a fantasy footy game...yes abramovichs money has opened a gap...but part of the problem is everyone focusing on the money..its like we cant beat em cos they can buy whoever...schevchenko is class..but no guarantee he'll work at chelsea same for ny player even our lot....clubs wiv cash have better options for sure...but it brings its own problems as well....

[whistler9027]

also they were winning a few trophies b4 the russian came ....as i recall

[Chinaman]

If we can change our habits and beat teams that we ought to beat, and play well against the other top teams, there's no reason why we cannot be 4th and possibly challenge for 3rd or 2nd.

Provided we've achieved that and luck comes our way in our fixtures against Chelscum, and if they should inexplicably lose form as all teams are liable to at times, who knows we might be there fighting for 1st. Nothing is for sure in football, though having a lot of dirty money that actually belongs to other people that you don't mind losing indeed helps in buying all the top players.

[Billywhizz]

I think Chelski's main aim is winning the CL, but they will be disapointed again this season can't see any further than Barca regaining the title of Europe's elite.

As for the PL i'll stick me neck out and go for Liverpool they have bought well and in previous important games with Chelski (FA cup / CL semi finals) they have had the measure of them and Rafa is a better taction the his Chelski counterpart. Whatever happens i think we are well equiped to gatecrash 3rd place at the expense of ManUre, Scum

[Welsh Spur]

welsh spur..i dont like being called pathetic mate..not by u or anyone so cut that right out..
Lol sorry mate that wasn't aimed at you, I just think that it's rather obvious that Chelsea are where they are now for one reason.

Again, didn't mean to offend you. :D

[whistler9027]

no worries..ive been a bit touchy today..didnt mean to b over sensitive...sorry for biting .....totally get your point...just feel sometimes the money issue allows teams to make excuses for not competing

[Welsh Spur]

Yeah it probably does, I mean you could bet your house that when the pressure is on at some point during the season, if Chelsea are ahead the trailing managers will make some comment about how Chelsea are ruining the game with all their money.

And they are. But it's just something the rest of us have to live with and as Barcelona proved last season, and Liverpool the season before that, they are beatable.

You've just gotta come at em, show now fear and don't let them play....keep a solid defence and don't give them time on the ball. Fluster them, enough effort and it'll come together, it's about who wants it more.

[Shuggie13]

I don't think Chelsea will run away with it this season. The whole system will need to be changed to accomodate the new signings (I think Mourhinho has stated that at some point). If they play Lampard and Ballack together, they may well fall into the problems Engalnd did with Gerrard and Lampard.

The fact that they have bought the title rankles me like everyone else. What really winds me up though is the wasting of talent. The season before he signed them SWP was a great player to watch. I would of liked to have seen more of Essien too other than the horrorific challenges he put in at the beginning of the season.

Anyway I think we will mix it up near the top, Berbie and Zokora are fantastic additions.

[hastingsyid]

Due to the fact Chelsea have bought the title for the next
10 years does everyone think 2nd place
is the real title


(this is my first thread so be gentle)First of all my friend chelscum will prob win it this season and next but the famous spurs will be challenging big time in the next few years.If we keep sir jol in charge with our youngsters improving and big name players now wanting to play for us then theres no reason why we wont be champions in a few years. so basically what im saying is **** THE FILTH....**** CHELSCUM.....**** THE MANCS....**** THE SCOUSERS....**** EM ALL.... the futures bright the futures tottenham

[Welsh Spur]

Yes although he's scum at heart I feel sorry for SWP he's been conned into a move, I bet he wishes he still played for Citeh!!!!

[gazzaG8]

First of all my friend chelscum will prob win it this season and next but the famous spurs will be challenging big time in the next few years.If we keep sir jol in charge with our youngsters improving and big name players now wanting to play for us then theres no reason why we wont be champions in a few years. so basically what im saying is **** THE FILTH....**** CHELSCUM.....**** THE MANCS....**** THE SCOUSERS....**** EM ALL.... the futures bright the futures tottenham



I like the cut of your gib!

[choda]

Chelsea have this vicious cocktail of power. Endless money, a chairman who doesn't respect the ethics of the game and a manager who would gleefully destroy the very fabric of football just to improve his chances of winning.

I personally find it so repugant. Fifa, in my opinion need to address Abramovich, because they're the only people who can stop the billionaires coming in and hurting the game. And this in turn will stop giving so much power to a decrepid individual like Mourinho.

Mourinho does all sorts of things which are harmful to the game, and it seems to me that he is a bit 'untouchable' because of the power of the roubles he's got behind him. Fifa have grunted about billionaires and Mourinho being an enemy of football, but where is the action to sort these very real problems out?

As for the football on the pitch, I agree that the chasing pack (which was rather weak in the last two years) is getting stronger, and I include us in that now too. :) :cool: Chelsea are not a great side, as Barcelona have proved and will prove again. They've just strengthened their defence up with Thuram and Zambrotta (which is the area they can really improve) and I think they could go on to be the best club side of all time, not just because they've great players but because they also have all the qualities to their play. They're magnificant. Chelsea are nothing more than good players being made to just grind.

The last great English side in my opinion was Manu in 1999. How can you say Arsenal were a great side? I personally think that is total rubbish, and it pissed me off endlessly at the time when people called them a great side. They never won back to back titles and were pathetic in Europe. Their huge limitations were shown up in Europe year on year. Wenger is great for unearthing talent but his teams are flawed, brainless break away teams that only work in the 200 mph prem.

[Chinaman]

It's not just the power of the Roubles thats behind him. The entire Russian Mafia and perhaps even ex-KGB heavies are on his side.

[choda]

It's not just the power of the Roubles thats behind him. The entire Russian Mafia and perhaps even ex-KGB heavies are on his side.

Yea, and I meant Mourinho on that point, if there was any confusion.

[Welsh Spur]

Choda I know it hurts to say it but I think the Scum team of 3 years ago now I think was domestically pretty damn good, one of the best.
I hate them, but at the time they did look unbeatable...whenever they went behind they seemed to have this ability to pull a goal out of nowhere.

And the style they played doesn't matter...if any team won the league unbeaten, no matter how they did it, their fans would be delighted. I know I would be.

Going undefeated in the Premiership is not a fluke and an achievement not to be sniffed at.

At least we've got the fact that they can't defend the league for shit to comfort us!

[Chinaman]

Yea, and I meant Mourinho on that point, if there was any confusion.

The Moor Rhino is just a hit man. Obviously he has the backing of the Godfather who is propped up by Ruskie hit men.

[choda]

Choda I know it hurts to say it but I think the Scum team of 3 years ago now I think was domestically pretty damn good, one of the best.
I hate them, but at the time they did look unbeatable...whenever they went behind they seemed to have this ability to pull a goal out of nowhere.

And the style they played doesn't matter...if any team won the league unbeaten, no matter how they did it, their fans would be delighted. I know I would be.

Going undefeated in the Premiership is not a fluke and an achievement not to be sniffed at.

At least we've got the fact that they can't defend the league for shit to comfort us!

Oh yea, I get that, they were obviously like a train that year.
But folk were talking about them being like Ajax 1970, and all of this stuff, which is bollocks. In other word they were getting a hard on for the style of play, mistakenly thinking that they had every string to their bow, that they had all the qualites of a great side.

In reality, they had a very fixed style, that in the 200mph prem, in the form they were in, was borderline unplayable. However, their lack of multi-dimensions was shown up clearly in Europe.

The only modern team that can be compared to Ajax 1970 is Barcelona right now. They've got everything to their play when they have the ball.